You MMA fans seriously think they go toe to toe with boxers?

Well the ground fighting and leg kicks the boxer woudl have no answer for those aspects of the fight or the thai clinch. But i do agree on average mma fighters cannot take a punch as good as boxers. The 4oz gloves are no doubt smaller than 8oz or 10oz pro boxing gloves, but remember this boxers sued to box with 6oz gloves for example Archie Moore vs. Rocky Marciano they wore 6oz gloves and it was a war. In older generations the fighters wore smaller gloves than today in boxing and they took better punches. But it should be expected because the premium is on punching in boxing whereas mma is well rounded so it should be expected that mma fighters would not take as good a punch as a boxer.

 

comparing boxing and mma is like like saying who has better accuracy a darts payer or a golf player, the only reason somone would post these comments is because they dont understand mma or boxing, or common sense.

 

Boxing is the most limited "fighting" sport in the world. Not only are the clearly not the best fighters, they aren't even the best strikers. That is just the reality of the situation. It is a lot easier to take punches when you are not only wearing boxing gloves... but also don't have to keep an eye out for kicks high and low, knees, elbows, clinches, takedowns, ect... You can't simply watch for punches coming at you and brace for them. Use your head.

 

Terrible logic, but it's the same case with pretty much anyone who doesn't understand MMA or physics. I still get a laugh out of boxing fans claiming the larger the glove the more damaging the punch when it's in fact the exact opposite. MMA gloves equal a much smaller, more concentrated area of contact with less absorption in the glove itself, leading to much easier KO's, as they're far more accurate and direct on the button if landed clean.

You can't just assume everyone who fights in a particular sport has a genetically weak chin either, and I hope you don't. That is completely illogical.

Also, it's quite obvious that a boxer destroys an MMA fighter in a boxing match, and vice versa. MMA fighters stand with other MMA fighters who generally aren't supposed to have any distinct advantage in the standup department. If the opponent is clearly the better striker, the other fighter will attempt to take the fight to the ground. A boxer would obviously be too much to handle for most MMA fighters (though not the top Muay Thai fighters of kickboxers, as they have far too many effective tools for a boxer who uses only his hands) on the feet, which is why an MMA fighter wouldn't attempt to stand with them like they would another similarly-skilled MMA fighter, they'd take them right to the ground. Obviously, being a boxing fan, you don't think it would be that easy. Trust me (and it's been proven before on countless occasions, including with boxers who've tried their hand at MMA), if the boxer has no martial arts experience (primarily wrestling) outside of boxing, it is exactly that easy.

Also, as I said previously, the best standup fighters in the world aren't boxers, that title would belong to the cream of the Muay Thai and kickboxing crop. Boxers have two attack points to work with, lefty and righty, whereas the top Muay Thai fighters have 8 (hands, elbows, knees, kicks). Not to mention any clinch that would occur would greatly favor the Muay Thai fighter, as they're extremely well schooled at fighting with non-boxing techniques and using different digits (primarily the knees) from that position. Not many MMA fighters are on this level, but they are quite a few class Muay Thai stylists in MMA (Anderson Silva being one), along with skilled kickboxers.

In short, no single style is more effective than being efficient in multiple styles, because if that one style martial artist holds an edge in his department, the multi-skilled fighter can easily take him out of his game by implying a different style, one the single stylist can't cope with. This was proven in the early days of the UFC and has been proven with even greater effect since then when single style martial artists have tried to prove their hand against mixed martial artists. Maybe once in a blue moon they'll get lucky, but the majority of the time, they're just far too limited, boxers included.

 

In that case, I could say a guy who's in good shape, great chin, knows how to grapple, is mentally though, etc could easily learn boxing craft to beat a lot of boxers.

In MMA you're learning multiple different styles, whereas with boxing you're only learning one your entire life. That's the main reason boxing is harder to break into or make a name for yourself in. You'd have to train at only one aspect (along with every other boxer looking to make a name for themselves or that are already at the top) consistently to make it to the top, if you had the ability in the first place. With MMA, if you have a strong background in one or two martial arts, you already have a strong base with which to pattern your MMA game around, which is generally why it doesn't take as long to break into MMA as it does boxing. You don't need to be an expert in the other disciplines, you just need to to know them well and be able to use them well to compliment your other skills. Typically grappling backgrounds are better than striking backgrounds if you're starting out in MMA though, as it's easier for a wrestler/grappler to gain the advantage over a strictly stand-up fighter by simply getting a hold of them and getting them down (once again, if the boxer has no experience in that area, it is that easy).

The reason a guy like Lesnar can make a splash like he did in MMA is because of not only his wrestling background, but because of his ridiculous physical abilities which, when combined with technique, make for a near unstoppable force to be tied up with. Not to mention he was fighting another wrestler (and a much smaller one) when he won the title from Couture. If you'll recall, Lesnar was submitted in around a minute in his first UFC appearance without the experience or BJJ skills needed.

 

Nicely stated Sweet Pea.:good

 

I wonder if it ever occured to the TS that wearing 4 OZ gloves and being able to immediately jump on downed opponents, hold them by the throat & hit them
has a little something do do with the KO ratio in MMA?

Hell, who am I kidding? Of course it wouldn't.

 

The difference being that wrestling ability is about 100% more useable; there have been a long list of champion wrestlers moving into MMA; there is no list of boxers doing it.

 

Jeremy Willams has fought guys who are 0-0 or 0-1.

Do you really think Skelton being a better boxer would have done him any ****ing good at all? Do you think that it was his lack of boxing that got him tossed like a child and choked like an unruly prostitute?

 

Yeah, amongst other journeymen so far

:rofl....obviously.

What? It was because he was an average kickboxer against a great wrestler....which bring us back to the question of why you keep posting that clip in a ****in mma & boxing discussion.

 

Because Skelton obviously has the talent to be a good boxer, he obviously had at least 6 months to prepare for an Erikson who as talented as he was never really got a career going and is a part time fighter.

It is not exactly what is being discussed, but it is the closest thing in existence, and the problem has nothing to do with boxing ability, it has to do with basic physics; its about 100x more likely for a great wrestler to get a clinch on a great boxer before the boxer lands a KO punch.

Basically the boxer has one opportunity window that lasts about a half a second where the wrestler is in the middle of a takedown, unless he ends the fight, every time, right then, it is over.

When it is a fighter like a prime Nog who ate a full on headkick from CroCop and a piledriver from bob sapp, there is no opportunity whatsoever, the fight is over the second it is signed.

 

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I really like UFC and probably enjoy it more than I enjoy boxing today, but their boxing skills are often quite awful. Rampage is one of the better boxers in UFC and he closed his eyes at times when throwing punches for ****s sake. This doesn't even happen in amateur boxing at a decent level. Lidell is also one of the better boxers, but the way he left himself open against Evans... Bushleague.

I've only seen three UFC fighters with decent-good boxing skills: A. Silva, Penn and The Irish Handgrenade (forgot his name) who of course is a boxer orginally. It would be nice to see more MMA-fighters with a solid boxing background.

 

Im just waiting for another idiot to claim good boxers punch > crocop kick. I remember someone saying Mike Tyson hits twice hard than Crocop kicks