Rewatching the Calzaghe Jones fight, I've gained a bit more respect for Joe

The outcome will be debabted and debated........for a long time. As far as being unimpressive same can be said of Hopkins vs. Calz. Can we at least agree that Calz. was impressive compared to Hopkins vs. Pavlik.

 

No.

You continue to under rate Calzaghe.

He his also well past his prime.

Peak Jones has trouble with Peak Calzaghe.

it would have been his sternest test.

Jones wins, but not as easily as most think.

 

Any top established p4p no3 fighter should be stopping that version of Jones in 6 at most. Instead Calzaghe found himself floored, and chasing the fight up to round 6...

Tarver, and Johnson who are seen as good to average fighters by some, had him out of there quicker, and more convincingly with 4 years less wear and age on Jones body. How anyone can be impressed by Calzaghe prancing around in front of that version of Jones is beyond me.

 

He definately carried Roy, It's well known that Roy was one of Joe's heroes as a young teenage boy. He felt his hero was robbed in the Olympics. Anyhow, people are all dumping on Roy's efforts but he fought very courageously the entire fight and walked Joe into a beautiful right hand in the first round and a great right uppercut in the sixth. Once Joe hurt Roy in the seventh and beyond you could see him backing off. Joe is a real cool dude. Why humiliate a former great like Roy? What's the point? Also, there is some revision going on here. Hopkins, Wright, and a whole slew of American boxers as well as writers picked Roy to win. Now, Joe beat a washed up former great? Bull****, Joe won this fight like all the others, Kessler, Lacy, Hopkins, etc. because he is THAT DAMN GOOD!

 

Rubbish.

Americans do it all the time. Dawson against a half-dead Tarver. Pavlik against an oooold Hopkins (ups, that one exploded in his head) and so on and on...

Then suddenly when a foreigner does the same... buhu..... :|:|:|:|:|

 

Joe states himself he was still weary of getting caught again with the shot that put him down early on -therefore he didn't go all out. Do you not think he was a little weary of getting put down again by a shot he never saw?

Who cared if he carried him for 2 rounds or not anyway, Calzaghe should have had that walking corpse of a version of Jones out of there in 5 or 6. It's a mark against him that he didn't.

 

That version of Tarver was seen as a very live fight at the time as he totally dominated Woods. Roy Jones hadn't done shite for 4 years - every man and his dog - including Joe, knew he was shot. Joe even wrote about how shot Jones was, and still you defend him makeing a fight with Jones. :-(

 

Well, maybe, but I don't see a difference.

Roy beat one over the hill guy in Roy. Plenty of Americans do this passing-the-torch as you correctly call it.

Why is it right when it is an American winning ad wrong when a foreigner does it?

 

I think it was a bad fight, but we see Americans do it all the time - so I thik i is hypocritical to cry just because Joe exploited a system that Americans have had going for a long time.

 

Yes, I agree with you that Americans tend to do it earlier. Why? Because they can get the fights earlier. The fact that they seem to have a better resume is often up to the fact that Americans try to kee it in-house. Therefore I think at least some of it is more Hollywood facade than anything real. Look at Lacy ho h beat supposedly good fighters in Pemberton and Sheika - YES, they were called great wins at the time - while in reality they were not top 50 either of them. If LAcy had done the usual thing and just kept fightin Americans, instead of suddenly fighting Joe and abroad (another thing americans rarely do) then perhaps he would still have some confidene these days.

I understand why people are more and moe doubting the quality of the fighers when they do not dare put it on the line against the best in the world like Lacy did. Now, of course not only Americans do this - Calzaghe did it for years. Hatton beat an old Kostya without travelling. The thing is that I think it is wrong crying over what Joe did when Americans often have quite a dodgy scheme to keep looking good.