Would Sonny Liston rule the HW division now?

Okay, this is true, in that sense he is limited.


Ali had no inside game either. Didn't stop him from becoming the greatest heavyweight of all time. And certainly, Wlad doesn't lose much there because he is such much bigger than the rest. He simply ties them up and their entire inside game (and with that, entire game) is gone.

On a sidenote, he used to fight on the inside. Barret and Shufford both were knocked down by very short left hooks on the inside.

Well, i was pointing to the Peter fight to show Wlad's skill. The only reason he lost rounds in that fight is because of his weak chin; he won all rounds otherwise, and even at that, two of the knockdowns came from illegal punches.

Second, i'm not saying Wlad is better than Louis. I'd pick Joe by TKO. I'm just saying that Wlad is several levels above the big men of his time.



By the way, happy newyear. :good

 

*knock*knock*

Valuev has a record of 50-1. And the only loss wasn't even an UD but an MD.

Valuev _IS_ one of the most successful boxers ever.

Carnera was 6'5.5'' and with 89-14 he too is one of the most successful boxers.

 

wtf

 

So you think that by defeating John Ruiz x2 and Larry Donald he became one of most successful boxer of all-time.

 

Agreed on all counts. I also wish he went more all-out again.

 

If he could've stopped him, then why didn't he? It's not like he let him off the hook.

 

I think I need to start up my KNN quote of the day thread again.

 

with ease.
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There is plenty of footage where you can see Liston preparing for the Clay fight. Fact. Reporters were saying he was in the best condition of his life.

Liston just came off his career best and most impressive performances (fact). All excuses of Liston being 50 years old, hadn't trained a second, etc, came AFTER he lost. As always.


Certainly there's no shame in losing to Ali, of course, who looked as good as he ever did in my opinion. But given the above facts and the fact that Ali was never close to getting knocked down, let alone knocked out, makes it quite a ludicrous claim that Liston would've stopped him if he was in his 20's (which would be in the 1940's according to some people who explode his age to be able to live with the Clay fights).