Floyd Mayweather Jr Doesnt Need Margarito

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  1. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    I honestly think Margarito would beat Floyd Mayweather because I have watched Floyd Mayweathers entire career and he is by far the quicker out of the 2 fighters and the slicker boxer but I noticed countless times where for instance in the Corrales fight, Corrales did not make Floyd pay for standing infront of him with his back to the ropes. Instead he was head hunting trying to hit Floyds Head.

    Margarito on the other hand comes with punches straight up the middle and attacks that body from all angles, The solar plexus, then switches and comes looking to catch u with uppercuts and a different variety of punches and he always makes sure he lands some bodyshots in, even if he has to take a few to do it but I believe that Floyd relies Heavily on Lateral Movement and I think that if this fight ever was to be made, Floyd would be looking just as good as Cotto did for the first 6 rounds but after 6 rounds I think Floyd would definetly start to slow down because although he is a fit boxer he has never had to keep moving for 3 minutes of every round. Fighters have always let him recover, Hatton didn't but the referee helped Floyd out so much because all the holding would have drained him eventually but Coertez kept breaking them.

    He always manages to gain a few seconds here and there but Margarito would be walking him down like Corrales did but the difference would be, Margarito throwing fullstop. Corrales wasn't. Margarito would be throwing punches to Floyds body and mixing up a variety of punches and when he can get in and throw bodyshots he would. Nobody in all of Floyds fight has applied that specific type of pressure and I think this would be the difference. Every opponent has just head hunted.

    90 % of boxing fans and purists would definetly tip Floyd to make Margarito look stupid but I have always said to myself that if someone has Floyds number it would be Margarito, I even said the same thing about Margarito and Cotto, I knew that the outcome would be exactly the way it turned out, you have to watch styles very closely and Floyd would definetly have to fight from round 6 to round 12 and whether or not he could keep moving for the entire 3 minutes of every round after absorbing an accumulation of bodyshots is the question because he is not the biggest man and Castillo broke his rib so I think hands down Margarito would have Floyds numbers marked esepcially if Floyd slightly hurt his hand which he probably would if landing cleanly.

    Floyd has thought a bunch of HBO brand name fighters at 147, Oscar, Hatton, Baldomir, Judah. All of which I could easily sum up like this after watching the fights again.

    Hatton

    Mayweather knew Ricky Hatton had a massive fanbase and he also knew that Hatton had just come off a good win and everyone was looking at Hatton as the man and Floyd again wanted to steal the show. He knew people wanted to see Hatton fight him and he knew that it would generate a tidy income for him. He also knew that in the same way with Oscar that Hatton did not have anything in his arsenal that could bother Floyd. Plus Floyd knew that he was fighting someone somewhat his own size or smaller in Hatton who had to step up from 140 to 147 to fight him, plus come to his own backyard to do so. So again all the advantages were in Floyds favour. This was another money fight, which fell under Floyds thinking process of low risk, High reward.

    Oscar

    Mayweather would never take a fight if he thought that he would be at a disadvantage for one so Oscar was an easy choice simply because of the money he could make and with oscar as a brand name casual fans who dont really know too much about the sport would then see Floyd as this great boxer for beating Oscar but boxing purists know that Oscar was a part time boxer at the time and it was like an 11 second sprinter against a sub 10 second sprinter. Floyd does not take risks so this fight was just a Hollywood Showcase for him to steal Oscar's notariety in the sport and for people to be looking at him instead of Oscar + Money of course. Oscar did not use his jab or have the right type of style to cause Mayweather any problem, he was throwing meaningless shots that was not even landing.

    Baldomir

    Mayweather took this because it was an easy fight to win against a robotic and slow fighter in Baldomir.This would be the equivalent of a 14 second sprinter against a sub 10 second sprinter, Baldomir was never a threat, he wanted Baldomir's title and so he fought him. Another noticeable name on the record who didn't provide any real threat to Mayweather. Another easy big payday and another Crap PPV Show.

    Judah

    Mayweather had already humiliated Judah In training and he knew that Judah was a 6 round front runner fighter and he also knew that Judah outside the ring was not as dedicated as everyone thought. He knew Judah well and plus Judah was coming off a loss and it was again another fight that would make money and falsely gain him some type of Ghetto respect. Judah possesed speed and a bit of pop but Judah has always had trouble figuring out top level opposition and he used to throw wildly without really breaking his opponent so I never ever saw Judah causing Floyd any problems and Floyd knew it too. Another recognisable name on his record that again fitted into low risk, high reward

    Plenty would read this and think that this is a bunch of fantasy talk and wishful thinking but as a fighter myself, Margarito is your worst knightmare, especially if you cant get him out of there with your best shots and as a fight wears on, if you are constantly using lateral movement like Floyd, it doesn't matter how fit you are, it is very hard to sustain constant lateral movement, especially if somebody is steadily wearing you down so bottom line is Floyd knows exactly why he did not fight Margarito deep down and I think he is a very smart man for giving this one a miss.

    I love watching Mayweather because he is very very similar in the way he goes about his work in the ring as Margarito,

    Your probably asking yourself How ?

    Well they both steadily work on wearing you down over the course of 12 rounds. They are not bangers, they work steadily to make you submit and they work on breaking your will...

    Forget about all the brand name big money fights and just think about the mentality behind a money orientated talented, skillful individual who upto this day probably does not feel that people really appreciate him and then you can easily see why Floyd did not take fights against Cotto or Margarito or any other top welter that he talked smack about.

    He probably was thinking, **** all of you, you dont appreciate me so why should I lay it all on the line just because you want to see me put it all on the line win or lose.

    In my own opinion, I have already considered him as a great, but I will only consider him a legend if he eventually does come out of retirement to fight the man who alot are saying will pose the most threat ever to Floyds Style.

    It would seal the deal for me and I for one would stop talking about him in these forums because he would have shown that he is a man who was not afraid to take a risk, but for now as it stands he is now retired and he retired exactly at the time when he would have been feeling a hell of a lot of pressure to fight Cotto or Margarito at some point,

    because really and truly he should have fought the winner of Cotto vs Mosley but I think he opted for the easier option, surprise surprise.

    What Im trying to say is, if you are going to talk big and act big and make self fulfilling prophecies in life then you will one day be faced with having to deal with your own prophecies and you will have to prove your worth win or lose. This is the situation I see Floyd in now. His reputation is at stake here because of the big things he has spoken about doing to these other fighters but we still have not seen him take on a real challenge that would solidify his place as maybe the best fighter to ever lace up the gloves.

    He has every skill set in the book but whoever sees the bigger picture will see that he took easy competition at 147 so that he could brag about his achievements at 147.
    and to say that he conquered 147 along with the other divisions but he seriously has not done anything in 147 which is the point of him needing Margarito, yes he does need him whether you like it or not, beat him convincingly and he can retire in peace.

    Margarito has Mosley to contend with next and I think if he takes Mosley out or stops him then what better fight to make than Mayweather vs Margarito because everyone will stand up and take note and everyone will see it as taking a risk which is much more important than what he has been doing for the latter part of his career which is handpicking his opponents and picking fighters who are not going to pose any siginificant threat.

    The fight would make mega bucks and everybody would buy the pay per view and it would be a real finale to 2009 after great fights like Pacman vs Hatton and other fights during the year.

    If he does come back then that is the fight, forget pacman and forget hatton, beat a bigger man who does not know how to fight going backwards and lets all see you bring out your A game and shine.

    Otherwise stop calling out less riskier competiton because your making yourself so obvious in doing so. You can fool WWE Fans with that **** but real boxing fans want to see real fights being made.

    If he does fight Pacman I for one would love for his choice to fight pacman to blow up in his face just like it blew up in De La Hoya's face.

    It's time to stop pampering this guys ego and request real competition for this dude because I am tired of seeing top level mis matches...
     
  2. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    I Disagree totally, Pacman does not hold as much risk as the other 3 and he needs to fight one or all of them, either way it just makes his resume look like he actually took risks instead of fighting boxers who dont have what it takes to force mayweather to bring out his A Game. Simple Tingz. He either needs to fight someone or fight no one. He will take pac to school dont get fooled by the hype mate. Pacman beat oscar but pacman would be getting hit back against floyd so there is a big difference in how the fight would turn out, but for the sake of boxing I will be supporting Pacman all the way although I dont think he would have the ring smarts to beat him but I think he could definetly force a real close decision and that would be a great way to send Floyd out the sport, on a loss.
     
  3. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lmao solid chin you must hate floyd with your heart and soul to write that much about him...........

    but a lot of people were picking paqman to beat floyd so...
     
  4. thehitman

    thehitman italian dragon Full Member

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    what a dumb post
    the sport needs this fight more then any other
    and floyd does need this fight either this or stay retired and dont waste the real fans of boxings time by fighting a fighter hes already beat

    if he beats margo he proves hes got heart and is willing to fight the BEST
     
  5. Scar

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    Yet Margarito fighting someone he already KO'd in Cotto is perfectly fine and gladiator-like? :lol:

    Mayweather doesn't NEED Margarito and doesn't owe him JACK****, Margarito never beat him in the ring, right?

    What the REAL fans need is a rematch with Williams for Margarito because that's the fight that REALLY makes sense for him. Not a fight with a shot to death Mosley and a rematch with someone he already beat. :deal
     
  6. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    the majority of boxing fans would disagree with that
     
  7. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    solid chin no matter HOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW much you type about him...
    words
    sentances
    paragraphs
    pages
    essays
    monolouges
    dialouges
    books

    floyd is a 5 division champ carried a bunch of belts, 2 time ring mag fighter of the year, 2-3 years of being p4p#1 and has a bunch of other accomplishments

    do you understand how hard it is to do all this?
    and that it didnt happen by accident?

    in allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of recorded boxing in the whole history of the sport.... theres only been 4 or 5 guys to do that.....

    you can say what you want about his accomplishments and his opponents but no matter what he's done it

    the only fighters to do this with major titles only since RECORDED BOXING HISTORY!

    are
    oscar de la hoya
    sugar ray leonard
    Thomas Hearns
    & floyd....

    you can do what you want to take away his accomplishments but at the end of the day he will always be remembered with names like that

    nobody criticizes oscar for taking his major belts from

    javier castillejo
    a washed up pernell
    a washed up julio cesar chavez
    john melina
    and jimmy bredhal

    like honestly who are those guys.... but at the end of the day oscar is respected



    why doesnt floyd get that respect?

    because he has a big mouth but that doesnt matter because he does what he wants and the fans will never determine what he does and take away his accomplishments


    the other reason he gets criticized so much?



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    nobody would care about this retired boxer if he was just some over rated scrub who just couldnt cut it....

    but no matter what you say about floyd he's one of the most skilled boxers EVER! and people want to see him continue on because hes just that good...

    now for once and for all just leave floyd alone man...


    we might see him again... we might not...

    but no matter how much **** you type about him

    hes a once and a lifetime talent .
     
  8. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    whats dumb about it....
    as of january 1st 2009

    floyd is a top 50 all timer....

    nobody that floyd could fight but paqman & oscar can say that....


    FLOYD DOES NOT NEED MARGARITO!
     
  9. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    Yes and if you did read my statement, aswell as pointing out my view on him, I also praised him in the process. I was basically speaking for the true boxing purists out there who are probably asking the same questions I am putting to everyone. A guy with all the talent in the world and with all those accomplishments still yet to take a risk to fight the toughest guys at 147. It would have been a defining moment, an icing on the cake so to speak to cap off a glorious career by taking out one of the toughest son of a guns in the sport today and if you are impartial or looking at it from an unbiased standpoint, even you yourself cannot doubt that you would have liked to see that fight made because I can guarantee you that the majority of the members on this site would buy the PPV because that is a real fight and not some Hollywood showcased bull**** glitz and glamour event. This would be Margarito vs Cotto 2, 2 warriors at the top of their game dooking it out to take this sport to a higher level. It would do much more for the sport also. Dont take what I say to heart because I am speaking on behalf of all the boxing purists out there. He has achieved alot and nobody can take those achievements away from him, but ask yourself this.

    Who would you prefer to see him fight ?

    Hatton, Pacman or Margarito, which one would be the man that could actually bring out the best in Floyd. In my own opinion pacman comes close but Margarito is that man, so lets stop pampering his ego and glossing over his achievements because we are talking about what is happening nowhere and now, not back then and as for now he ainit done **** but chat **** and not back up the **** that comes out his mouth. All he has done is make us cash in to his PPV fights and conned us into watching Bull**** mismatches whilst he sits at home the day after the fight and counts the money we put into his pocket.

    If I like to watch real fights then I cant be faulted for that because it is no wonder why so many people are slowly crossing over to MMA. Their tired of bull**** mismatches being made.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

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    Agreed ... Floyd doesn't need Margarito ...
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

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    Pacquiao is an obvious choice because of what he has accomplished, also in the running would be Cotto if he were to beat Jennings and Margarito in a rematch. He would then have avenged his only loss and racked up another championship (including the recognized welterweight championship)
     
  12. ayala

    ayala Boxing Addict Full Member

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    like i said before margarito style is best suited for floyd. i believe cotto and manny would give floyd the most trouble out of all thats if the punisher don't go back down to welterweight
     
  13. fitzgeraldz

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    If he came back today ... he would be the number 1 contender for the welterweight championship ... despite being inactive for as long as he has and all these guys have been active but haven't accomplished much.
     
  14. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    So why did Mayweather offer Hatton a ****ing rematch then, isn't it the same thing...

    mayweather fans like to keep him in his comfort zone so their hero doesn't get dismantled.

    come on man, all of the real boxing fans want to see real fights not stupid arse hollywood glitz and glamour events.

    Williams has other agendas and Margarito is looking to clean up the division so a rematch is highly unlikely right now but I am sure it will happen.

    Margarito in the meantime is taking care of business, which is more than what I can say for what Floyd has done at 147 which is nothing but make you spend your cash on bull**** mismatches where he can show his fans like you just how good he can box against limited opposition.

    Stop pampering your hero and tell your boy to fight someone who he has ducked and not wanted to fight, coming up with every type of excuse in the ****ing book.

    If he can fight guys like Henry Bruseles and ****ing Philip Ndou then why not Margarito, who da **** is Philip ****ing Ndou, dont get me started now.
     
  15. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    Oh its you again,

    The guy who said Mosley is going to stop Margarito
    LOL
    You should be ashamed of yourself kidd...
    I hope to see you in my new thread...
    as I said before you will be welcomed with open arms.