Losing when shot

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  1. Blue145

    Blue145 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    A fighter lets say RJJ obviously not in his prime against Calzaghe but does it hurt his record anyway?

    It adds the obvious L, but do you think it does anything to hurt there resume as a whole? or even Legacy?

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  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Not really. People in general look at the wins and losses during the best years of a fighters career.

    I don't think it matters on a statistical basis, either. Some great fighters have a few dozen losses.
     
  3. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    No. Everyone knows boxers stay in the sport too long. Losses at the end of a career are not indicative of the ability they showed when younger or in their prime. Look at Holy for instance. He's racking up losses like they were going out of style, but no one can really question his greatness and heart. His late losses don't change the fact he's one of the best HW fighters we've had.
     
  4. newbridgeboxing

    newbridgeboxing Active Member Full Member

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    Its doesn't do that much to a legacy !! Its what a boxer did and showed the world he could do in his prime !

    It didn't do much harm for Ali's legacy and other great fighters!
     
  5. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    I think Losses are a learning process and most undefeated fighters are undefeated because they have been carefully managed and matched throughout their careers, in respect to Roy Jones losing after being past his best, it was inevitable but at least he took the risk to see if he still had it. I dont particularly like mismatches that involve shot worn fighters though, it just exposes them to more unecessary punishment. A Perfect example of this is Holyfield and Gatti, it does kind of make a mockery of their past achievements but in the long run they will still be remembered as hero's who put it all on the line when it counted
     
  6. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is it possible to be a shot fighter but still be a winner? Does being shot simple mean that your favourite fighter is coming of a loss or looked bad in a previous fight?
     
  7. Blue145

    Blue145 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Just when you see about 8 losses on a fighter who people say was great, just hurts it a little for me. Always happens with me when I look up a record on boxrec and don't know to much about the fighter. Even Sugar ray Robinson made me question him when looking at the end of his record, when obviously whilst in his prime was near damn unstoppable.
     
  8. Blue145

    Blue145 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Larry Holmes vs Butterbean ? lol nice example of a shot winner
     
  9. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We should give more credit for fighters winning when they are shot
     
  10. newbridgeboxing

    newbridgeboxing Active Member Full Member

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    I agree it takes alot more from them in training etc , they have too put ALOT more in to gain a win .
     
  11. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Was BHOP shot when he beat Pavlik or just past his prime?
     
  12. Blue145

    Blue145 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Past his prime surely, you don't beat MW champ when shot. Even though he's 43 still hasn't lost convincingly when being 'out of prime' not shot yet.
     
  13. Taylex

    Taylex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shot or past prime I am confused. Apparently you can have victories when your shot but you can not beat a champ and still be shot. I think shot and past prime are the same thing. BHOP was shot when he beat Pavlik.
     
  14. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Considering all fighters pretty much fight until they're shot, no boxer other Rocky Marciano would be considered great if one took the tail end of a career weighted the same as their prime.

    Sugar Ray Robinson- 19 losses
    Ali-Lost 3 of last 4

    'nuff said.
     
  15. Jbuz

    Jbuz Belt folder Full Member

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    Past prime should be considered, but there shouldn't be as much weight placed on those losses as prime losses. Losses when shot are irrelevant.