Yeah. What is a clinch but two guys hugging to stall. In MMA, that doesn't stop the action. Just like in a real fight. What a concept. A real fight. Either you understand, or you don't. That is the origin of MMA. Find out what works, what doesn't.
My son was telling me he read an article about an MMA fighter taking a fight that allowed groin kicks. COMPLETELY changed what he had to do. Yeah. Boxing is the ULTIMATE in a street fight....:rofl
I've been hit by both gloves and i have to be honest:The MMA gloves will cause more cuts/bruises but the boxing gloves hurt more.Boxing gloves were designed to protect the hands and nothing else.Get hit by a pair of Reyes 12oz and tell me it doesn't hurt.
That makes no sense at all. Yes, getting hit by someone wearing boxing gloves does hurt. The physics, however, do not agree with the assumption that it is easier to KO someone with boxing gloves on. Boxing gloves are much bigger, and therefore spread the force of the impact over a greater area, making it more difficult to KO your opponent. Also, it is harder to get a KO with boxing gloves because the size of the gloves make it more difficult to land an extremely clean punch. The size of the glove also facilitates a lot more blocking and partial blocking.
This video was posted in the boxing forum: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt_Y...tsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=114828 Do you notice that in the STREET FIGHT situation, Ali-Frazier and Rahman-Lewis IMMEDIATELY went into clinch situations. Without a referee, Lewis and Rahman were ****ing WRESTLING each other and these are UPPER UPPER echelon boxers.
you can't hit as hard with 4oz.You will mess up your hands.Again boxing gloves are met to protect the hands therefore you can throw as hard as you want because padding is protecting your hands. plus you ever seen boxers who get there hands wrapped before pro fights?Hard as a rock.
The padding protects the fighter's hand-it doesn't protect his head from the FORCE of the blow.You ever felt Reyes gloves?There freakin hard. Why doesn't boxing use 4 oz gloves?It would destroy the fighters hands easily.Go hit a heavybag with 4oz gloves for a lengthy duration and your hands will be done.
LMAO! I don't want to be completely biased to MMA (again, as I stil watch it a bit), but would people STOP with these dumbass examples? Who the hell is that black guy? He isn't even in good shape! I got this video, and a video of BUTTERBEAN! :rofl:rofl I'm not talking about Butterbean. I'm talking about a prime Mike Tyson, Pac, Mayweather, etc vs an MMA figher. Alright, let's say Prime Tyson vs a crappy 220 pd UFC fighter. You don't think he stands a chance? An aggressive, but evasive pitbull like Tyson couldn't beat a crappy UFC fighter? Not only will I say that at standup (meaning kicks allowed) Tyson would kill a crappy UFC fighter...I guarantee if they'd take Tyson to the ground (any man his size) Tyson would overpower them, and give them some ground and pound! A prime 220 pound Tyson..I'm willing to bet nobody in UFC at 220 would be as physichally as strong. I went to a MMA gym for about 3 months. The dudes were in great shape, *some* were decent fighters. I'm about 5'6 165 right now. I've lifted weights for years, and boxed for a while. NEVER wrestled in my life! I got to roll with people around my weight (155-180) who fight cage fights, and have for years, and these guys were as strong as small children to me. One guy tried to put me in a triangle, and I just pick him up and powerbomb him. Another guy tried some kind of armlock..Had both hands on my one arm, and still couldn't move it. My point is some of these guys are in great shape (they were over there), but they lack strength. I don't give a **** what moves you know...If your doing them on somebody who's twice as powerful I bet 9/10 times you won't get them on him! So, really about the only arguments you guys got that boxers couldn't stop/ have answers for would be leg kicks. Hands the boxer wins no matter what gloves. Movement the boxer wins. Wrestling it depends on the individuals (Again, no MMA fighter would be able to wrestle a boxer who's much stronger), Kicks the MMA fighter obviously wins (kicks to the head wouldn't work though as the boxer has a high guard). Basically, I don't see why an aggressive, strong boxer (not a counter puncher, not a defensive master, not butterbean!) would have much trouble. Just jump on the MMA guy, and knock him out (You might take a leg kick in the process).
I thought so to when I was training for it . The wrestling was pretty fun...At least when your the much stronger guy, but my god I was just sore as hell all the time. Never wanted to fight MMA...Just wanted to fight at the time, and that's the only reason I joined They never taught me jack **** over there though. Wasn't a class...More of a place to fight. That's why I had to powerbomb, and bodyslam people LOL. Actually got to give the place credit though as they taught me how to get great conditioning, and am in a lot better shape because of it. So, I don't dislike MMA. I just dislike a lot of people in it. Seems like a lot of guys who think there tough, and..There really not. Kimbo Slice is the perfect example. Having Lesnar as UFC champ isn't saying much either. Not taking anything away from Lesnar as he's so big and powerful hard for anybody to deal with. I just think after 3 fights (NO matter how famous he is) he shouldn't have a shot at the world title.....Doesn't say much for your sport.
You sound young and are making some mistakes accordingly. You are using your limited experience at one gym, which by your own admission isn't very good, as a standard. Check out bullshido.com? Very interesting stuff on how to evaluate a gym. Second, the UFC is NOT MMA. Lesnar was given the shot because they wanted to kill any chance of success that a fight between Coture? and Fedor might have. Plus, think Lockett and Pavlik. The ABC's of boxing are just as corrupt as the UFC when it comes to title shots. :deal At this point the talent in boxing may be deeper because of the money and longevity, but that looks like it will change. Also, from what I can see, there are many more mma training sites than boxing sites popping up. Also, in my area, there are a lot more events. It is growing quite rapidly. Pavlik is the local boy, but interest in boxing isn't really piquing that much other than his career. The real question for your conjecture though, if you take Mike Tyson's lost twin brother and train him in MMA and put him up against Mike, who wins? I say the guy with the most tools in his bag is most likely to take it.
Arthur Williams is a former IBF cruiserweight champion, he may not be a prime Mike Tyson, but he is a legit boxer. You are right though. Tyson is a strong dude. There is no reason that a NCAA collegiate wrestling champion or an olympic medalist wrestler would be able to take him down and hold him down. Amateur wrestling experience means NOTHING. Everyone knows Tyson was so strong that no one could take him down. Sure, we never got the chance to ever see how he could handle a takedown attempt from a cream of the crop, prime, excellent, olympic caliber wrestler (you know, a guy who has devoted his whole life to taking people down and keeping them down.) but we all DO know Tyson is strong. Of course he could resist it. And, as we all know, Tyson won all of his fights by first round KO. Tyson didn't just win by first round KO. but FIRST PUNCH KO every fight. If Tyson lands one punch on anybody it is lights out! Nobody has ever beaten Tyson in a boxing match, and nobody has ever even hurt him. Nobody can take one punch from Tyson without tasting the canvass. Normally a punch from Mike Tyson will KILL YOU. Tyson eats leg kicks for breakfast. Sure, we never saw him ever take one. Sure, every single other time that someone faces a fighter with great leg kicks who has no idea how to defend them they end up ****ed up. BUT BOXERS CAN'T BE HURT BY LEG KICKS LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE CAN! BOXERS ARE ****ING GODS WHO ARE IMMUNE TO THE THINGS THAT MOST HUMAN BEINGS CAN BE ****ED UP BY! MMA fighters are just humans, and can be beat by human methods. Mike Tyson comes straight from the jizzum of Zeus himself and cannot possibly be beaten by the proven techniques of MMA fighters. I stand ****ing corrected.
LMAO. Your sarcasm is quite skilled codeman, but you did take my post a little out of context. I said Mike Tyson vs a MMA *bum* at his weight! I didn't say Mike Tyson vs Olympic gold medalist, or NCAA Champion. I didn't even say Mike Tyson vs Brock Lesnar because he's much bigger, and more powerful. And yes leg kicks can mess ya up no doubt! Even an animal like Tyson couldn't take many since he doesn't know how to defend. Like I said though if all he had to take was 1 or so, and with his aggression/ strength, PLUS 4 oz gloves you don't think he knocks out 50% of MMA guys quick enough to not take to much damage??? Hermit: I agree I make mistakes accordingly. I've boxed, and lifted for a while. Never sparred that much (not many boxing gyms around here), so found a MMA gym with a lot of guys, and just wanted to fight. It wasn't a great gym to learn from, but a great gym for me to spar at. As for boxing I completley agree...It's 10x more corrupt than MMA/ UFC...whatever you want to refer it to. That doesn't change the fact that a man with 3 fights (1 of which was a loss anyways) is now the HW champ, and a lot of hardcore MMA fans hate Brock Lesnar anyways as it makes there sport look like anybody can do it. Also, as for the strength factor, and me saying somebody like Tyson overpowers basically any guy roughly his size in mma (no matter what they know). Look no further than Brock Lesnar to prove my point. The guy is freakin HORRIBLE. Honestly I don't even know how he won a NCAA championship, and can't believe he trains in any combat really! He picks up a guy, throws him down, and beats him on the top of the head with arm punches! I think if he gave the guy a noogie (sp) it'd hurt worse than his punches. He should have finished couture off easily. Why does he win, and look unbeatable though right now? Simply cuz nobody can overpower the dude unless there skill set is amazing. Of course Tyson doesn't have the wrestling background that Brock has (although I really can't believe it's the same guy!) naturally your body wants to grab, and wrestle (unless you train for something else), and natural instincts (SURVIVAL INSTINCTS) on top of Mike Tyson's power would be enough for him to get out of a lot of ****.