You MMA fans seriously think they go toe to toe with boxers?

So we're to assume that because of your experience in a lousy gym and that fact that you (for some reason) consider Mike Tyson to be to "strong" to wrestle, any MMA event where a smaller fighter beat much larger and stronger ones on the ground (early UFCs? Royce Gracie?) is meaningless? Come on.

Also, why does it that only a great boxer (which you're almost defining as one who hasn't done MMA or kickboxing and ever will) counts in your comparison? Why not a mediocore boxer vs. a mediocore wrestler or kickboxer? At what point in their boxing career do the become too quick and strong so that no wrestler can ever take them down and no kickboxer could ever kick them? Like I told the TS, wrestling is a much more high percentage move than punching, so if you're going to be really good at one thing, it's better to be good at that. That is not an insult to boxing as a sport of as self defense, it's just an obvious analysis of what MMA has been displaying for years.

 

u should apply to be on the Ultimate Fighter...

 

The iceman never wrestled and he was succesful in MMA.

 

Ho ****ing ho, you just exposed yourself as not knowing what the **** you're talking about. :deal

 

He was the catian of the cal poly wrestling team. Know what the **** you are talking about or shut the duck up

 

"shut the duck up"

:rofl :rofl

 

Anybody who thinks tyson could grapple a bantamweight let alone somebody in his weight class is an idiot. Strength only comes I to play of the skill is similar, which it absolutely is not. Tyson isn't even all that strong, nowhere near as strong as even lightheayweight like rampage.

Miguel torres would sub tyson in under a minute on the ground

 

These damn iPhone keys

 

your baiting arent you?... you must be???.. if not your absolutely kidding yourself..

 

Interesting viewpoint...

Hmm.. go watch UFC 1-4.

BJJ is specifically designed so smaller weaker opponents can beat bigger stronger opponents.

 

Where the **** did I say it doesn't matter? I said that given one is skilled and the other is a ****ing nobody, it is easy to overcome.

Bob Sapp is about twice as strong as Tyson, Nog subbed him, and Fujita kicked his head into the second row.

Marcello Garcia has run through grappling positions in the absolute division against guys with 100 pounds on him, and those guys are world class grapplers.

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And Sapp is much stronger than Tyson and 1000000% more skilled of a grappler.

It's simple, just look at any grappling tourney; the winner of the absolute division is usually not the HW winner, and those guys are world class grapplers, Tyson doesn't know a wristlock from a wristwatch.

135lb Miguel Torres could kill, literally, Tyson in grappling, he could easily get a choke and not let go.

The average blue belt in bjj would easily submit Tyson in grappling.

I've seen so many juiced up former football players, bodybuilders, "tough guys", and even wrestlers who know grappling somewhat, get absolutely destroyed on the mat by people they outweigh by 50+ pounds. Size matters, but only if the two fighters are comparable in skill.

And stop with this "from my experience" bull****, you have never stepped foot in a real gym, and you have never won a fight, so shut the **** up idiot.

 

I was talking about once the fight hit the ground, the premis was that tyson would be to strong to grapple, not that he could never win an mma fight, just that even the smallest skilled grappler would run through him like a hot knife through butter if the fight went to the ground.