Wow... Frazier REALLY does hate Ali

No, no, no. That was not what I meant. I just feel that if Frazier said things like that about Ali´s illness I think Frazier is a very mean man.
What I ment with Ali destroying Frazier was that Ali should have knocked him out in the fights, however he probably tried.
I haven´t seen or even heard everything Ali said about Frazier but in the end of the day Frazier could have had his "revenge" in the fight´s. To be angry about it today, over 30 years ago and make comments about another mans illness, that is just bad. I don´t like it.
I still like Frazier as a boxer and feel a little disappointed about his comments.
Ali wasn´t perfect and Frazier isn´t either, they are humans, but to comment things like Frazier did is stupid. he can think what he want, he just don´t need to say it loud, in my opinion.
All the best
the Predator

 

My biggest problem with what Ali did, was that Fraziers kids got entangled in the insults. I read that @ school, Fraziers kids were ridiculed incessantly by classmates, and I think I remember that they were physically threatened over the incident.

As a father of 3 myself, I can pretty much take care of the crap that's thrown my way, but if someone messes around with my kids even if indirectly, I'll do anything within the law to remedy that situation.

Bottom line: what Ali did was cruel and wrong. Frazier still holding the grudge to such a high level after 35 years is just plain Sad.

 

I always have, and always will, maintain the opinion that Joe has EVERY right to be angry at Ali for what he did to him. i love Ali, too, he was a great fighter and an even greater showman, and of course he is well known for making fun of his potential opposition, but with Frazier, he went over the top. Frazier lent him a helping hand when he was in exile, only to have Ali bite him in the ass. **** that ****, I'd carry my anger to the grave.

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Great thread:good

 

Ali could'nt knock frazier out, stunned once or twice in 41 rounds maybe. Ali is the one that started all the ****, fraziers just to proud a man to let it drop.When your kids come home crying from school because school friends have been repeating what alis being saying( gorilla, uncle tom) it goes deep.Frazier would be my kind of person out of the two of them....

 

By the way, I hope Ferdie Pacheco burns in hell.

 

There is nothing redeeming or rewarding in one black person calling another black person a Gorilla or an Uncle Tom, which Ali cruelly did to Frazier. Ali did his best to de-blackenize Frazier before the FOTC, trying to sell more tickets with, cheap, mean-spirited, nasty comments. Frazier grew up poorer than Ali, on a farm in Beaufort South Carolina before moving to Philadelphia as opposed to the richer white burbs of Louisville Kentucky where Ali grew up.

I'm sure none of us as posters on this forum can understand what it feels like to have your children come home crying after getting beaten up and harrassed repeatedly at school because their father is the opponent to the self-proclaimed "greatest."

I'm also quite sure that none of us posters on this forum can understand what it's like to receive all kinds of death threats and verbal abuse from fans of Ali insisting that Frazier make sure he purposely loses the fight or else suffer the consequences.

Can you deny the man for his feelings toward Ali? It's amost self explanatory. In recent years, Frazier seems to have forgiven Ali, talking about reaching out to the young people and explaining the significance and history of their rivalry. It maybe all for money, but over the past couple of years, Frazier has praised Ali, Foreman, Norton and Holmes as the best fighters in his era.

 

never heard about fraziers kids being bullied about it and that must have been hard for the family and stoked joes hatred (however im not sure Ali would want the kids getting teased about it i think he regrets that as Ali was kind to children)

also if i remeber right didnt Frazier say something about being the dad to one of Alis kids and ali replyed 'you calling my kid ugly' which was an amazing comeback

 

How sad it is though to see an all-time great fighter like Joe having to live out his life in his gym.

 

yeh it makes you think of how many other fighters who have to live like that

 

Yep where did his money go - or does he choose to live like that?? He never seemed to live the high life. He cut a sad figure in many ways but also pretty content and happy with his situation - a decent man. A man that seemed true to his roots more so than Ali Iin my opinion.

 

Frazier came across as a sad bitter old man, who simply can't let go.

He has clearly not come to terms with the fact that Ali is globally revered, revered by those who respect his anti-war stance, for his support for the civil rights movement in America - and as one of the first high profile athelete to do so. Joe meanwhile is revered in boxing circles, but that's a pretty small circle compared to the universal adoration and sympathy loaded onto Ali.

 

but i do get the feeling frazier is proud in what he has achieved

 

Ali took a fair bit of it during his exile I'm sure, before it chucked it all back in Frazier's face.

**** it, Frazier has every right to be angry.

 

Not quite.
Ali believed was a follower of the religion formulated by Elijah Muhammad called the Nation of Islam.Elijah Muhammad stated in 1964:

'7. WE BELIEVE this is the time in history for the separation of the so-called Negroes and the so-called white Americans. We believe the Blackman should be freed in name as well as in fact. By this we mean that he should be freed from the names imposed upon him by his former slave masters. Names that identified him as being the slave master's slave. We believe that if we are free indeed, we should go in our own people's names—the black people of the Earth.........

9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the Black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice, and equality are, all of a sudden, their friends. Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent Black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation. If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. ..........
10. WE BELIEVE that we who declare ourselves to be righteous Muslims should not participate in wars that take the lives of humans. We do not believe this nation should force us to take part in such wars, for we have nothing to gain from it unless America agrees to give us the necessary territory wherein we may have something to fight for.'

Ali was merely following his religious conscience.

Maybe Elijah Muhammad should now receive the credit-long denied- for the formulation of these religious principles and for Ali's own spiritual and moral awakening.