Hamed's Best Win?

Ever Beleno floored him twice... Jose Badillo turned him into a ring zombie- he barely escaped his previous fight with a draw after been cut with a punch. Been serious now you are having a laugh if you think this was expected to be a good fight.. Unless of course you bought into the hype. Skys commentry in Johnson UK televised fights centered around his legs no longer been properly underneath him.

 

Can anyone else see the insanity of this man's views

If we go by his standard only Barrera and Morales would be world class at Super Bantamweight and Featherweight

Everyone else.......including Hamed.........would not be World Class nut

No.........Barrera and Morales AND Hamed........were the elite

and the others like Vasquez, Tom Johnson, Cesar Soto, etc.......all world class

As for the debate about Tom Johnson...........he was on the downward slide but not shot

Naz predicted that he would win in the third round because

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But Johnson trained much harder for this fight and was much more motivated for this fight than the likes of Ever Beleno

He was doing a 1000 sit ups a day

He was getting his first ever seven figure cheque.....between $1-$2 million

He had wanted the fight ever since Hamed became WBO Champion

And he was very motivated to beat Hamed

He was further angered at the weigh in at Naz calling him a

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If people rate Medina as one of Hameds best wins then surely Tom Johnson too as he had beaten Medina

 

I'm not sure, but if I'm right he sparked Castillo early in his career.

 

With the greatest of respect my mate- I rest my case... This was a time when I was so in love with boxing I could name every world champion in every weight division and their records. I was sad- but I knew my ****.

 

Cut eye stoppage. And no he didn't do much post Hamed. He did give Duke Mckenzie a good fight when he was 19...

 

Johnson actually floored Hamed with a right counter at the end of the third round. Johnson was an incredibly proud man and a capable fighter but the thead title is 'Hameds best win' so while I concede that Johnson was one of Hameds best wins I feel there can be little argument that this was the defining win of his career bearing in mind the consensus opinion of knowledgable fans and press pre-fight. Johnson was every bit as much of an underdog as Holyfield against Tyson. Its like someone arguing that the Jones win is the best of Calzaghes career. :yikes

 

No I dont think it was his best win

But it is defently one of his best.........beating a long reigning world champion who was the man before Hamed gate crashed the scene

Someone like Cesar Soto was alot tougher to overcome

He was hard headed and dangerous puncher

Came up to Hamed after the fight and made a wanker gesture

and had the arrogance in the after fight press conference to call Hamed a "paper" champion

the likes of Vuyani Bungu was a scared super batam who was blown away

the likes of Cesar Soto had alot more steel in him

 

Soto a hard man for sure but i'd prob go like this:

1. Medina
2. Ingle
3. Robinson
4. Johnson
5. Mcullough
6. Soto
7. Sanchez
8. Kelley
9. Belcastro
10. Cruz

 

:huh

 

Sorry that was my top ten Hamed wins.:good

 

[quote="TKO";3180368]Agreed, Dunky you just know if Scott Harrison or Alex Arthur had compiled a resume like that they would be the greatest fighter Britain has ever produced and a lock for the Hall of Fame :yep:yep:yep[/quote]

Not at all. I made a post about the subject of Scotty Harrison just a few short days ago stating that I strongly disagreed with him when he called himself 'probably Scotlands greatest ever fighter.

He never had a career defining win, & IMO he now struggles to even break into the top 5 best ever scottish fighters.
I may love scottish boxing, but I dont delude myself. Look. Hameds record is impressive, & better than Harrisons by a long shot. HOWEVER, it still lacks a defining win.
All the belt holders he beat? solid but unspectacular fighters. As for Kevin kelley? He was old when Hamed beat him after a titanic struggle.

hamed only stepped up to elite once, & lets face it folks, was pretty much humiliated by Barrera. Poor Naz was shaking even before he left the changing room!
Naz was a good fighter & a great entertainer. However, he was no elite level fighter. He tried that once, got beaten handily & then slunk into retirement.
Hamed did a lot. He didnt do enough though to be mentioned in the same breath as elite fighters from any era.

He may have danced around, was funny with his mouth etc, but no defining wins. No Morales, no Barrera, no Marquez will you find on Hameds W list, & THATS why he cant be held up as a true great.

Unless of course people think Hamed beating Bungu is up there with Randy Turpin beating a prime Sugar Ray Robinson...

 

I've had this debate with Paddy before so don't propose really getting into it, however, I agree. Going by his logic, since Hamed was clearly the #1 featherweight in the world from at least 97-01, there was not one world class featherweight around in that period. Which, bearing in mind that "world class" generally means capable of being competitive with most of the top fighters in the world, seems a bit, well, Irish if I'm honest!

 

I really dont see why I'm being slated for this...

Naseem was an excellent British boxer. But that's it. He was never top level, he was never the level directly below top level. Call it elite/world class call it 'dave' for all I care. My point is Barrera and Morales were top class/elite/dave boxers. Nazeem wasnt. Give me an opponent he beat who was in that bracket. There isnt one. He was beaten soundly by the only opponent he fought who was in that bracket.

I really dont see the arguement in the alternative.

 

Paddy... I have to disagree in your assesment. Hiss victories and the manner of them especially pre-Medina would suggest he was a bit special. The loss to Barrera was impressive in the fact that a lazy and dellusional Hamed was still effective enough to make it a reasonably close fight. Compare his performance to fringe world class Paul LLoyd and Richie Wenton- plus world champions like Mzonke Fana, Johnny Tapia, paulie Ayala, Kevin Kelley, Jesus Salud, Sanchez who were all either destroyed or completely outclassed.