Thrilla In Manilla

Yeah I watched it too, was a good programme, little devoid of people from Ali's side though. Saying that, Frazier would have won if they hadn't stopped it thats for sure.

 

really?

joe was always a pretty slow starter and like you said above about ali-tyson it's all about the initial onslaught, when tyson is at his most dangerous.

i'd be putting my money on an early tyson stoppage, before joe's engine is warmed and running.

 

I watched the same documentary and must say it was awesome.

On your first point, while I agree, it got me thinking... in an America that was inheritently racist at the time, how difficuly would it have been for an Ali that seen himself as a revolutionary to respect someone who pretty much epitomised what the white man seen as a typical black man? Not excusing it at all, just something to consider.

In the doc itself though, I thought Frazier came across as well reasoned. Particularly the story from his son. For those that didnt see it, after the third fight, Ali invited Frazier's son to his dressing room and apologised for all the things he'd said about Frazier. When Marvin told his old man, Frazier said 'Why didnt he say that to me?'. Go to think that the man has a point.

Great watch that last night, hoping to catch it again so I can tape it next time!

 

Tyson vs Frazer would not have been fight of the century. Tyson would KO him in the 4/5 round

 

Ali is scum.

Nothing more to be said.

 

Why what did Joe do?

Does it matter the who or why? The man made stupid decisions throughout his life, and made little attempt to rectify them when it mattered, preferring to hide behind it - and his larger than life status. Look at the reaction to Hopkins "white boy" over Calzaghe, that was washed down beyond belief and there was still a big stir over it, then when black AND white people were backing Ali during his humiliation of Joe?

I know he'd be under pressure - with the NoI, but at the same time, he chose to align himself with them - and I can't honestly say I believe he didnt go to the war on the reasons attributed to him, considering how he acts with everything else - it wouldn't surprise me.

 

You seen that doctor? his trainer?

That doctor is very annoying and NEEDS a slap.

 

Ali was a disgrace. Frazier was an honest man trying his best.

 

I watched this the other night, good documentary.

It's well known how badly Ali treated Frazier back in those days, I don't believe he knew how badly he was going to hurt Frazier and his kids with those remarks but that doesn't excuse him saying them.

Having said that I don't think it's very 'Christian' of Frazier to seemingly take pleasure from seeing Ali the way he is today either...but I can understand why he's bitter, think I would be too.

 

Frazier suffered more out of the ring than in - death threats is hard to over come remember...

Ali never crawled