Joe Frazier .vs. Mike Tyson

Joe would get up to grind Tyson down and stop him late. He would make Mike fight on the back foot and beat him on the inside were he holds a significant advantage. Frazier via KO in 11.

 

You cannot compare Holyfield and Frazier. Holyfield beat Tyson not because of power or even strength but by outmaneuvering Tyson with superior strategy, outboxing him, and counter punching with well timed shot. Frazier had great timing (see round 15 Frazier-Ali) but I don't see him fighting like Holyfield. Absolutely no comparison in terms of style! Chalk and cheese!

 

The Holyfield comparison is meaningless. Put Holy or Frazier or (insert X) in the can for 4 years, have him fight some cannonfodder when coming out, never in the shape to fight 12 rounds and enjoys partying more than fighting,that my friend is a recipe for distaster once you meet a skilled opponents who takes his job serious.

So we are talking Tyson from 86 to about Spinks, maybe even Bruno.

Nobody, I mean absolutely nobody is going toe to toe with Mike. Ain't happening. He is too fast, elusive, hits way to hard with both hands , has to good of a chin, difficult to hit and will whack you with punches you don't see coming so you can't brace yourself.

Holyfield did not go toe to toe neither did Lewis against a totally washed up Tyson impersonator..................remember when Botha got cute....and that was a Tyson who already fired on several cylinders less.

Frazier has one speed and that is "smoking", he will do the same what he did against Foreman, go forward and will meet the same faith, except maybe ,and that is a big if, he gets up once, max, before he is counting the stars.

I would not be surprised if it ends the same way as his son went out.

 

I think Joes heart would be his undoing. He'd get rocked early and try to comeback leaving himself open for the tko or ko.

 

Anybody that picks Joe here needs their head testing. Tyson was like Foreman only quicker and with better combinations, better defense and boxing brain. Tyson could not lose this fight. KO1

 

Tyson by stoppage around the 3rd or 4th round. If Frazier survives the early running he's got a shout, but I don't think he would. Tyson starts fast, Joe takes time to get going. Tyson's two handed power, speed and movement are all too much. Harsh on Joe cause he'ds better than almost most fighters Tyson faced, but styles make fights.

 

EH!!!! "Fraziers was good but not on the Holyfield level"

 

Well I believe most people on here are 35 and under...hence they grew up in the Tyson era and many times he takes on a mythological size in many minds...Much like Ali to my generation (Or Frazier for me)...much like Louis and Marciano for my Pop. We sometimes go with our heart...So I will go with mine!!

Joe dig's to the body with BOTH hands (some seem to forget he DID have 2 of them)..survives the early Tyson onslaught (and might even go down once or twice)...but Tyson tires and by the 8th he has no will left...FRAZIER WINS!! FRAZIER WINS!!!

 

Respect to you and your opinion True Writer, but I think this is borderline madness on your part if you think anyone needs to get their head examined who supports Frazier over Tyson.

First of all, don't compare the overweight, over confident, out of shape version of Frazier that Foreman beat around the ring in 1973. Albeit he won with some illegal wrestling tactics courtesy of Mercante, Foreman never faced the same dominant champion from the late 1960's.

Secondly, Tyson doesn't have the power in his right hand compared to Foreman, and I'll include his left hand as well. Tyson's hook is a much more sharper punch than any left that Foreman throws, there's no doubt about that. However, in terms of overall power from both hands, nobody in the history of heavyweight boxing has more than Big George, except for Earnie Shavers' right hand.

Thirdly, nobody remembers that Joe in the condition that he was in 1973, kept getting up, six times in all, against Foreman who seemed gassed after it was all over in the post fight interview. Who knows what would have happened if Frazier was in better condition and made it into the middle rounds against Foreman. Maybe Foreman still knocks him out, maybe Frazier starts to warm up and lasts a few rounds longer? Who knows, but
certainly if Frazier had treated Foreman with the same respect he did to Ali, it wouldn't have been a two round blowout. I believe prime Frazier's chances of winning against Foreman are grossly undervalued based on the not always true notion that styles make fights.

In fairness to Frazier, let's use the prime 1967-1970 version prior to the Fight of the Century when discussing a match against Tyson. IMO, Mike Tyson wouldn't be able to hit this version of Frazier as cleanly as many suggest in this thread. ChrisPontius, MarcianoFrazier, Holmes' Jab and others on this forum with some serious boxing acumen will tell you that fighters who faced Frazier landed a truckload of punches, especially early against him. I totally agree with that statement because Joe is most vulnerable in the early rounds. What's forgotten is the fact that Joe made one of the fastest heavyweights of all time, miss many punches, especially his vaunted jab and straight right.

If Frazier could make Ali miss, there's no reason to believe he couldn't make Tyson miss. Sure, Frazier's bob and weave is more predicable and could be timed, but Frazier did slip punches, dipping his shoulders on both sides as well. Joe's body attack would be the main difference in a fight against Tyson and I think think it would carry him to a late stoppage victory. There's no way Tyson stays with Frazier for 15 rounds, let alone 12. He doesn't have nowhere near the stamina. Dr. Ferdie Pacheco once said Frazier had the greatest quantity of stamina he's seen for a heavyweight, and Marciano is the only other heavyweight that has equal or close stamina to Frazier.

Frazier KO Tyson inside 10 rounds

 

Ali and Foreman are only two 70's heavyweights who beat Tyson.

Tyson by early kayo over Frazier.

 

I am basing like with like. Frazier was destroyed buy Foreman it was so onesided it was unbelievable. Tyson in his prime was a 1st round KO artist, who was knocking out bigger men than Frazier in the 1st round.

I think Tyson is a bigger puncher than George Forman, I say this by looking at Tyson's body mechanics. He is short squat and very powerful. He is without question one of the biggest punchers of all the heavyweights in the history of boxing - without question.

Not only this but Tysons handspeed was only eclipsed by Patterson & possibly Ali. Foreman lacked the speed or combination punching of Tyson - watching George is like watching Tyson in slow motion.

To say that conditioning played a part in his loss to Foreman is crazy - conditioning was never a factor because Joe was on his arse within 20 seconds!

As a result I believe Tyson would KO Frazier quicker than George, but Joe would last around 60 seconds longer than his son did.

 

You are the biggest hater of Frazier I have ever seen. You need your head testing if you think Tyson beats him via KO1.

 

Tyson in 4.

Tyson was the bigger puncher, the better technician, had the better jab, was bigger, was quicker and had a better chin imo.

What we do know is that Frazier wouldnt give in easily... but i can see Tyson hitting Frazier regularly and beating Frazier to the punch for an early night.

 

I really do like Frazier. But against the likes of Tyson he would be easy pickings.

 

So you like Frazier, despite the fact you think he gets clean KO'd in 1 by Tyson, and slag off his record?