Fighters who fall short of true greatness but are great h2h?

Good example.

Bennie Briscoe.
Yaqui Lopez
Lupe Pintor
Chuchu Castillo
Esteban DeJesus
Jose Luis Ramirez

 

I honestly don't think any of those guys are much better head to head than they're already rated generally.

 

Fighters who fall short of true greatness but are great h2h?


Tyson.

 

Joe Calzaghe, PBF, Mike Tyson, Hamed, Don Curry, Mike McCallum etc.

 

David Tua.

 

I'd say McCallum was definitely a great fighter. His head to head ability is relatively even with his general standing IMO.

As for Tua, I know you're a fan TommyV, but he's far too limited to be considered great in any sense, unless he's fighting the right type of fighter. He'd be a handful for the Frazier's, Marciano's etc., but he'd also get beaten by a lot of lesser HW's who are simply a bad stylistic matchup for him because of his lack of speed and versatility.

 

I don't understand.
Maybe I'm not getting what the threads about.
I picked fighters that although not rated as "true" greats were all capable of giving "true" greats plenty of problems.
Briscoe Monzon
Pintor Gomez and Zarate
Castillo Olivares
DeJesus Duran
Ramirez Whittaker.
Maybe Lopez doesn't belong there as Saad wasn't considered a "true" great but I think Saad could of given any "true" great Light heavy a good argument. Does he match the criteria?
:?

 

Whitaker dominated Ramirez twice, the only problems Whitaker encountered were with the judges in the first bout.

Anyways, I think the criteria was based more on fighters whose abilities greatly exceeded their accomplishments. A few of those on your list fit to an extent, but not enough IMO to warrant strong consideration.

 

Depends how harsh you are on how you rate greatness really.

here are some fighters that i doubt would be rated as consensus all-timers or appear high up(or at all) on top 100 lists, but would be in fights with almost everyone around about their weightclass and would be capable of defeating more traditionally highly regarded fighters.

It's a mixture of fighters who were either lazy, had something missing, or maybe just were around during an even better fighters reign.Some just didn't get the breaks.

Jiro Watanabe
Nana Konadu and most of the other top 115 pound fighters of the eighties golden era.Could all pose severe issues for most Flyweights and Bantams.
Hilario Zapata
Mark Johnson
Yuri arbachakov
Walter McGowan
Hiroyuki Ebihara
Yoko Gushiken
Lionel Rose
Miguel Lora
Orlando Canizales
Ernesto Marcel
Howard Winstone
Johnny Famechon
Antonio Gomez
Artur Grigorian...better fighter than Calzaghe imo, but unlike Joe, totally wasted his career with the WBO, only cashing in at the end of his reign when totally shot.
Donald Curry
Billy Graham
Meldrick Taylor
Joey archer
Subu Kalambay
Michael Nunn
Eddie Mustafa
John Conteh

 

Add in Sahaprom, Sasakul, Bhorkorsor and Chuvatana from the Thai's.

 

Michael Nunn

 

Nunn is another great example.

Tyson has a decent resume, but for someone of his skills, if he'd remained at his peak longer he may have had wins over 'Prime' Holyfield, Lewis, Bowe, Morrison (a decent name in his peak, woulda been a war too, admittedly only lasting a round before Tyson landed even a jab on Morrison) etc etc maybe if he'd really stayed in good shape mentally and physically he coulda fought 'Prime' Tua and Ibeabuchi.

Shame.

But Nunn is a very, very good example.

 

Mark Breland
Marlon Starling
Winky Wright
Gerald Mclellan
Chris Eubank

 

Dunno about Breland.His chin and lack of strength or defence is probably too much of a handicap.