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El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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WiDDoW_MaKeR said: ↑

Possibly... we will never know. I think that Tyson was never really proven against a top notch natural heavyweight. I also don't feel like Lewis was all that impressive by the fact that he managed to not fight any of the top 5 fighters in his own era... and only became the true Champion for a brief period during the transition period between the 90's era and the current era. Even during that reign, it wasn't very impressive.
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I see some people still don't give Lennox his props :-(

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Tyson looked much more beefy, then in the tapes i have, he looks like he gained about 30 pounds of muscle. He didn't have much head movement too.

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mr. magoo said: ↑

He cleaned out an entire era of natural heavys, many of whom were very respectable. Sure, he never defeated an all time great heavy like a Louis, Ali or prime Holmes, but those opportunities rarely come in a lifetime. He convincingly destroyed Pinklon Thomas and Trevor Berbick who were the concencus best in the world around 1986. He outpointed an undefeated Tucker, and beat a formidable Razor Ruddock. Spinks though not a natural heavy, was still considered by many as the lineal champ, and lasted only 91 seconds.

And who's fault was that? One of those fighters preferred to throw a title in the garbage rather than face him, while another spent half of the 90's in prison for ****. The third, was a man who I feel was one of the decade's very best, but albeit past his prime when Lewis beat him, but did so nonetheless. Who are the other one's you're referring to, and please don't tell me that you're talking about Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko.

If you're saying that he wasn't the TRUE champ until he defeated Holyfield, then he at least held the lineal title from 1999-2003, being interrupted briefly by his loss to Rahman. Lewis cleaned out an entire generation of super heavys, young prospects, and ranked contenders. He unified the titles for a brief period and defeated every man he ever faced at one point or another. I don't know how the hell someone who supports Wladimir Klitschko to the extent that you do, can claim that Lewis's reign wasn't impressive.
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TheGoldenHoya said: ↑

I see some people still don't give Lennox his props :-(
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Yet he becomes more agitated than a ****** flinging his fecis at spectators when anyone says something remotely critical about Wlad.

mr. magoo, Jan 8, 2009

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mr. magoo said: ↑

He cleaned out an entire era of natural heavys, many of whom were very respectable. Sure, he never defeated an all time great heavy like a Louis, Ali or prime Holmes, but those opportunities rarely come in a lifetime. He convincingly destroyed Pinklon Thomas and Trevor Berbick who were the concencus best in the world around 1986. He outpointed an undefeated Tucker, and beat a formidable Razor Ruddock. Spinks though not a natural heavy, was still considered by many as the lineal champ, and lasted only 91 seconds.

And who's fault was that? One of those fighters preferred to throw a title in the garbage rather than face him, while another spent half of the 90's in prison for ****. The third, was a man who I feel was one of the decade's very best, but albeit past his prime when Lewis beat him, but did so nonetheless. Who are the other one's you're referring to, and please don't tell me that you're talking about Chris Byrd or Wladimir Klitschko.

If you're saying that he wasn't the TRUE champ until he defeated Holyfield, then he at least held the lineal title from 1999-2003, being interrupted briefly by his loss to Rahman. Lewis cleaned out an entire generation of super heavys, young prospects, and ranked contenders. He unified the titles for a brief period and defeated every man he ever faced at one point or another. I don't know how the hell someone who supports Wladimir Klitschko to the extent that you do, can claim that Lewis's reign wasn't impressive.
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rydersonthestorm, Jan 8, 2009

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I have given Lennox his props before... however I simply speak the truth. Lennox could have forced those bigger fights if he wanted to. Lennox was in position to force Tyson into a fight with him, and he took step aside cash instead. So... we can't act like Lewis is free of guilt because he didn't face the best fighters of his era. Had Lewis forced the Tyson fight, and beat him... we all know that a fight with Holyfield would have came next. Then... he would have been at the top of the mountain and all of the fighters would have had to go through him. Instead, he took step aside cash, and he sat relatively in the shadows until the other stars stopped shinning so bright, and he stepped in to clean up what was left over. It's the truth.

WiDDoW_MaKeR, Jan 8, 2009

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Mitchell_NY said: ↑

I know, that this is going over old news. But seriously, do you guys think tyson was afraid going into the fight with lewis? On the walk in, he didnt have that usual look that he has with confidence. I think he was using heavy coke at the time.
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Mike Tyson would have never beat Evander Holyfield or Lennox Lewis. They both owned Mike especially Holyfield.

Rico Spadafora, Jan 8, 2009

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WiDDoW_MaKeR said: ↑

I have given Lennox his props before... however I simply speak the truth. Lennox could have forced those bigger fights if he wanted to. Lennox was in position to force Tyson into a fight with him, and he took step aside cash instead. So... we can't act like Lewis is free of guilt because he didn't face the best fighters of his era. Had Lewis forced the Tyson fight, and beat him... we all know that a fight with Holyfield would have came next. Then... he would have been at the top of the mountain and all of the fighters would have had to go through him. Instead, he took step aside cash, and he sat relatively in the shadows until the other stars stopped shinning so bright, and he stepped in to clean up what was left over. It's the truth.
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forced a don king fighter to give him a fight

rydersonthestorm, Jan 8, 2009

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PATSYS said: ↑

Tyson lost already lost as early as round 2 and if Lewis did not hurt his right hand, he would have been decapitated right there and then.
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Sure he hurt his right hand. He had a dead man, who was way past his prime, and had already given up menatally and still couldn't finish him off. I magine if he was in there with a prime Mike Tyson who was intimidating, and more fereocious.

Lewis was still scared of Tyson's power, and Emanuel Lewis even stated that. "Dont get hit with nothing big"

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hotti_killer said: ↑

forced a don king fighter to give him a fight
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Uhh... yeah. Why do you think that they had to pay him step aside cash?

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WiDDoW_MaKeR said: ↑

Uhh... yeah. Why do you think that they had to pay him step aside cash?
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because it's a get out, the way i have heard it true or not it was either lewis accoet the cash and have some chance of a future fight or not accept the cash and be shut out by don king.

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mr. magoo said: ↑

True,

When we think about the second coming of the Golden era of the sport ( the 90's ), we are probably referring to the time that stretched from 1990 - 1998, or thereabouts. The best fighters of this period outside of Holyfield were, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Michael Moorer, George Foreman, Riddick Bowe and Buster Douglas. Holyfield was the only man during this period to have fought all of them, and his record against these foes was 5-4-1. It may not look pretty on the surface, but at the end of the day, he had a winning record against the division's very best, and like you say, he was never stopped by journeyman, fringe contenders or unknown entities. Additionally, it should be noted that he was past his prime post 1995 for the third Bowe fight through both Lewis fights, yet still gave galant efforts.
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Exactly, which is exactly why, combined with his many other achievements, and the deficiencies of some of the others, that I consider him the greatest HW since Holmes.

Zakman, Jan 8, 2009

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hotti_killer said: ↑

because it's a get out, the way i have heard it true or not it was either lewis accoet the cash and have some chance of a future fight or not accept the cash and be shut out by don king.
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Lewis was the organizations Mandatory. Tyson HAD to fight Lewis unless Lewis agreed to take step aside cash. It really isn't any more serious than that. Lewis would not have had to worry about being shut out by Don King if he beat Tyson.

WiDDoW_MaKeR, Jan 8, 2009

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Lewis >>>>>>>>>>>> Holyfield

H2H and resume

Beeston Brawler, Jan 8, 2009

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WiDDoW_MaKeR said: ↑

Lewis was the organizations Mandatory. Tyson HAD to fight Lewis unless Lewis agreed to take step aside cash. It really isn't any more serious than that. Lewis would not have had to worry about being shut out by Don King if he beat Tyson.
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it doesn't exactly work like that in the world of don king

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