Tyson/Lewis?

It's exactly that attitude that demonstrates how overrated Lewis is on this site.

Holyfield's resume is better AND he faced two of the other top fighters of his era, Tyson and Bowe, when they were formidable opponents - not when they were on the decline, like Holyfield was when Lewis faced him; or washed up, like Tyson was when Lewis faced him. Oh, and Holyfield never got taken out early by ham n' eggers when he held the title.

 

lewis is older than tyson :yep

 

Major, major fail.

Holyfield's resume was not better than Lewis, not at all.

I aren't one to get into numbers of title defences, but didn't Evander have two reigns without a single defence?

He lost a trilogy to Bowe, who ran away from Lewis like a small child runs away from a wasps nest - effectively vacating the undisputed title. Not saying he was scared, but he clearly knew he was in for a beating.

Holyfield may not have been quite at his best when Lewis owned him, in back to back matches, neither of which were particularly close (espec the 1st) - though I will agree that Tyson was shot. A lot were picking Tyson to 'roll back the years' I seem to recall.

Being taken out by ham and eggers - such as Oliver McCall, hardly a pudding, even when he was OK to continue..... Rahman wasn't the best but still - both defeats were avenged.

Holyfield, prime or not, has two losses to Chicken Bowe, another to Chris Byrd, a stoppage loss to James Toney (wtf), Larry Donald, and split a trilogy with Ruiz 1-1-1.

Lewis would have beaten that lot into next week.

Sorry to **** on your anti-Lennox parade :hi:

 

Agreed. It was just a payday for Tyson

 

Dingdingding. YESSSSSSSSSSSS. that's more like it

Two in two pages. Lovin' it!!!!

Thanks for throwing it in at the end there, made my day :rofl:rofl:rofl

Now a serious post.
Nobody finished Tyson early. All he had left was power and chin at the end.
Even against Danny Williams, he just gave up mentally (and had a ****ed knee). Williams teed off on him, and Tyson could have got up without a shadow of a doubt.

He quit on his stool against McBride.

Why wouldn't anybody still respect Tysons power. Even old and shot, if you stuck your chin out and he banged it, you'd be in big ****ing trouble.

Plenty of guys in history would have beat the version of Tyson that Lewis fought. Not many would blast him out in 3 or 4 though.

Why would anybody fight purely TO the opponents strengths. "I have a guy that's slower than he was, out of condition, but still with good power and a great chin. I know, I'll go toe to toe, and bring the fight right back to where he'd like it. Bugger giving him a long protacted beating to wear him down and stop him".

You probably think Lewis should have brawled with Tua. The only possible way in the world Lewis could have lost that fight.

Tyson said Lewis hurt him early, and kept him hurt until he stopped him. Surely a smart way to beat a guy like Tyson?

 

Serious question.

Let's say Holy gets the nod v Valuev as he probably should have.

What does that do to his loss v Lewis nearly TEN years ago?

Is he now super super super past prime, past past prime or is it one of those typical Holy situations where his prime comes, then goes, then conveniently arrives again, and then goes again?? (Normally conveniently lined up with his losses??? )

Or does it just show just how gash Valuev and the current heavies are??????

 

What a way to twist it.

Try this.

If Lewis did not accept the step aside money (which was a hefty $ 4 mill), Tyson would have dumped the belt anyway like Bowe did, and leave Lewis fighting for it against another fighter for an amount not even close to $ 4 mill)

 

.... OR Tyson would have agreed to fight Lewis, rather than dumping his title. The point is... Lewis had a chance to push as hard as he could to force it, but he took cash instead.

 

The Holyfield which Lewis beat was no further past his prime & simply better than the Tyson which Holyfield beat.

 

i think he was.. hed heard the talk about how he wasnt the same fighter and this time he believed it..

 

Holyfield doesn't believe it now, let alone when he was champion.

 

Like I ALREADY SAID, part of the deal was that the Tyson fight would still happen.

The only reason it took so long was that Tyson kept saying he needed "one more tune up" for about a dozen more fights. :yep

 

$4 mill is a lot of money for not fighting a formidable foe, it is irresistable to anyone. It is a lot of money to pay off somebody, signalling a huge desire to avoid fighting Lewis.

 

4 Million was nothing for King to throw Lewis' way. Do you realize how much money was brought in during Tyson fights?

 

Lewis knew that he wasn't going to get a shot anytime soon if he didn't force it then. Tyson was scheduled to fight Holyfield 2 months after he fought Seldon. Lewis' best bet would have been to try and force a fight with Tyson, and take his place.