George Foreman 73 Vs Lennox Lewis 95

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  1. newbridgeboxing

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    What would happen bewteen these to big guys ?

    I see after a tactical 2 or 3 rounds, Big George would start pushing Lewis back to set up his big punches.

    Even though Foreman was smaller on paper he would definitely bully Lewis around that ring, any doubters that may respond to this thread please look at Foremans fights pre 74.

    Ok have it , After a nasty opening 4 rounds both fighters taking sickening combinations Lewis would feel the effect of the oncoming Foreman relentless and evil in his ways ! Foreman by 7th round KO

    Hmmm View please but only who understand each fighter and have seen all Foremans fights to understand what brute this man was before typing rubbish!!

    That Cold stare at the start of the fight!!!

    Just how would Lewis Cope ????
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lewis as of 95' can't win this match-up in my opinion. Just not experienced or refined enough.

    No need to look at Foreman's fights pre-74, look at him pushing him roided' up 90's heavyweights like Tommy Morrison and Shannon Briggs when he was 40 plus to nearly 50 years old.
     
  3. newbridgeboxing

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    A prime lewis in your eyes then, could he beat Foreman ?
     
  4. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Why "cant" Lewis wins this match? Is Foreman invincible?


    Some things to realise here:

    -Foreman's only defence is his offense. Just look at any of his fights, he is wide open, is clueless about glove blocking or covering up, and very often off-balance. He can't fight on the inside or at long range; Lewis can do both, with long jabs/straight right hands or right uppercuts on the inside. Very few fighters got to fight him at medium range. Lewis will land, and land big. The opposite is not necessarily true.

    -Many will say that Lewis is susceptible to getting knockout by Foreman (as is anyone), but how about the reverse? The only slugger who landed on Foreman was Lyle, and he nearly KO'd Foreman there. What he did in the 90's is pretty much irrelevant as he was a completely different fighter there; you're matching up the 70's version aren't you? On a sidenote, outside of Shavers who was knocked relatively often, Lyle never stopped a top fighter. Young knocked Foreman down and Ali knocked him out; neither are big hitters. Yes, he was tired, but who says he's not getting tired against Lewis who sets a higher pace than either and can always take a rest with his long jab.

    -Foremans' biggest assets, i.e. his monumental size, strength and power advantage would no longer be an advantage against Lewis. Again, Lyle was the only one who matched him there and he nearly won.


    I would give Lewis an excellent chance. He's more proven against big 210+lbs punchers than anyone else in history outside of Ali.
     
  5. GPater11093

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    i think lewis woul be winning the fight easy with his jab and long range skills before foreman starts throwing wild shots and catches lewis on the chin and wins by KO
     
  6. JohnThomas1

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    I like Lewis by accumulation stoppage around 6-9. His size, reach, offense, jab and better boxing ability would keep Foreman at bay until he tires. Remember, Foreman is actually fighting a substancially bigger man here and his lack of speed will show under these conditions vs Lewis. Lewis is the sharper boxer.

    Obviously a man of Foreman's incredible power is a chance of winning almost anything, but Lewis showed against big men and massive punchers he has no dog and can get the job done. Foreman is the more open man here, and lets be honest. Lewis' offense matches and undeed surpasses Foreman's in some capacities.

    IMO a bad matchup for Foreman. Lewis is nothing like Norton and Frazier on so many levels. Against swarmers he is close to invincible, but Lewis is an entirely different proposition.
     
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    1973 Foreman starts throwing wild shots practically from the time the bell rings in round 1 :huh
     
  8. mr. magoo

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    If Lewis can weather the storm and get his game going, he wins. If he gets clocked early in the right place at the right time, he's ****ed....
     
  9. JohnThomas1

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    Contrary to the popular view i don't believe it's impossible Lewis might do some frightening damage to Foreman early either. Look at his form against fellow big hitters. He gets it done, and gets it done damn fast. Obviously Foreman has a fine chin and is a class opponent but given Lewis power and Foreman's style and open chin it's not inconceivable Lewis might do some real damage.
     
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    Agreed, but if I had to protect a guy from getting tagged early, I'd rather it be Lewis. Foreman was stopped but once in his career, and that came via exhaustion more than anything else. Not to sound like our good friend Zakman, but he has a point when he says that Lewis was Ko'd twice in the early rounds by men with average power. The right hand that McCall layed him out with is nothing like what George could throw at him. We also have to consider that the year for Lewis is 1995. Circa this period, he had the McCall loss, the close decision to a declining Mercer who's defense was no better than Foreman's, and a rather rough time with Frank Bruno, who's heart, chin and defense was not exactly stellar. that said, I concur that an early knockout for Lennox is not out of the question, but I do feel that he needs to be labeled as the more vulnerable of the two prior to about round 7.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    This is how I see it. To add a bit more, Lewis is a better version of Ron Lyle. Everything Lyle could do, Lewis does a bit better.....and Lyle had Foreman down and nearly out.

    Foreman had major trouble with good boxers such as Ali and Young. Lewis is a very good boxer.

    You have to give Foreman a big puncher's chance here, but I'll go with Lewis who is smarter, more skilled, and likely to land his best first.

    If the fight goes into the later rounds, Lewis has better stamina.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    When it comes to peak Foreman, as early KO of ANYONE is not out of the question barring Ali.
     
  13. Bummy Davis

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    Very good point...Foreman was very protected, when he clobbered a Shot Frazier with offence and then pummled a made to order Norton, we kind of forget the Peralta,Ali,Young fights...Lewis would need to weather the early rush and pick his spots but he could hurt Big G in the process......toss up fight at that stage...but I may favor Lewis
     
  14. Doppleganger

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    First off, I don't see how the first two rounds could be tactical as young Foreman had no idea what 'tactical' meant. He swung wild punches literally from the first bell.

    Why would Foreman definitely bully Lewis around the ring? What is your basis for this? Sure Foreman was strong as hell but so was Lewis. I see no distinct advantage for either man here.

    The way you've waxed lyrical about the brute that was Foreman and his cold-eyed stare tells me you've got caught up in the image of the man instead of actually critically appraising what he brought to the ring. Foreman, of course, can stop Lewis if he's allowed to land punches on Lewis's chin. But I doubt that Lewis will simply allow him to do that and he's not exactly a feather-fisted puncher himself.

    IMO only a pre-exile Ali can deal with a Lennox Lewis on the top of his game and whilst the 95 version was not quite the best version I think he avoids most of the crude swings of Foreman and lands his own big artillery to stop Foreman in around the 6th round in a wild fight. Foreman does have a solid chin but the young version fought in such a wild style that he didn't have the stamina to continue for more than a few rounds. Remember also that Foreman hadn't fought anyone who would hit him like Lewis would. Frazier was a short-armed puncher but he didn't have much chance to land his bombs, especially in the first fight. Moreover, Frazier usually hit you with the leaping left hook, whereas Lewis would fire off 3-4 punch combinations.

    Lewis could also keep Foreman on the end of the jab and land hard punches as Foreman came into range, enough to make him think twice just as it made the rock-jawed Tua gun-shy. In that mode Lewis would win a comfortable decision whereas young Foreman would only have one way to win and that would have to be inside the distance.

    An older, slower version of Ali exposed Foreman for what he was at the time, a crude, wild slugger. I think Lewis would do the same. I also think many people watch the first Foreman Frazier fight and simply base all their opinions on that one fight alone. Just in the same way some watch the two Lewis defeats to McCall and Rahman and base all their observations on those two performances.
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    Oh for sure.

    What i will say for Foreman is that IMO i don't think he was quite ever the same destructive force (in his own mind too) post Ali and this showed a little vs Lyle and Young. His psyche was shattered somewhat and this meant a lot to him.

    Many will debate this, and i readily accept views to the contrary, but firmly believe personally this to be the case.