Fighters who fall short of true greatness but are great h2h?

Yeah, Roy got knocked out when he was 35 years old at 175. Nice try. Benn got iced by a jab from Watson. Jones would have brutally taken Benn out. Roy had too much speed, power, and was elusive enough that Benn wouldnt land his big bombs. Benn would have a puncher's chance against Hearns, but in all likelyhood, Tommy knocks him out.

Power, and balls can only get you so far. More times than not, superior skill and talent will win over. Unless Benn headbutts one of these elite guys, and causes bleeding in thier brains, then Benn's chances of beating them are extremely slim.

 

I probably haven't seen enough of Chandler to say (have only seen his fights with Sandoval, Canizales and the Muniz rematch). He looked terrible against Sandoval but looked much better against Muniz and Canizales. Overall I don't think his resume has the depth required for him to be considered great. I would only ever call someone great with such a resume if they had immense ability, and from what I've seen I don't think Jeff fits that criterion. He looks very good in most areas, but not really outstanding.

I rate Lupe Pintor (a fighter I am more familiar with) higher, but even Lupe would be borderline I'd say. Somewhere in the 150-200 all time range. That's not a bad placement considering how many great fighters there's been through the ages. Might sound low but I think it's fitting given the company on that list.

 

I'll actually put it down. These are all guys outside my top 100, which is quite scary really because there's a lot of talent there. They aren't in any order really:

1.Mike Tyson
2.Gene Fullmer
3.Esteban DeJesus
4.Freddie Welsh
5.Ken Buchanan
6.Nino Benvenuti
7.Erik Morales
8.Marco Antonio Barrera
9.Ricardo Lopez
10.Lennox Lewis
11.Eusebio Pedroza
12.Tony Zale
13.Kid Lavigne
14.Jimmy Carter
15.Sammy Mandell
16.Sonny Liston
17.Jung-Koo Chang
18.Battling Nelson
19.Tommy Gibbons
20.Flash Elorde
21.Ismael Laguna
22.Lloyd Marshall
23.Manny Pacquaio
24.Panama Al Brown
25.Pancho Villa
26.Tommy Burns
27.Benny Lynch
28.Jack Non-Pareil Dempsey
29.Rodrigo Valdez
30.Freddie Miller
31.Maxie Rosenbloom
32.John Henry Lewis
33.Jimmy Bivins
34.Young Corbett III
35.Young Peter Jackson
36.Billy Petrolle
37.Shane Mosley
38.Jack Chase
39.Kostya Tszyu
40.Jeff Fenech
41.Cocoa Kid
42.Eddie Perkins
43.Floyd Patterson
44.James Toney
45.Les Darcy
46.Jack McAuliffe
47.Georges Carpentier
48.Fidel LaBarba
49.Joe Brown
50.Eddie Booker
51.Philadelphia Jack O’Brien
52.Jeff Clark
53.Harry Wills
54.Mysterious Billy Smith
55.Ernesto Marcel
56.Baby Arizmendi
57.Jack Dillon
58.Jack Delaney
59.Ad Wolgast
60.Rocky Kansas
61.Horacio Accavallo
62.Hiroyuki Ebihara
63.Winky Wright
64.Meldrick Taylor
65.Joe Calzaghe
66.Sam McVea
67.Kid Azteca
68.Wes Ramey
69.Jersey Joe Walcott
70.Frankie Genaro
71.Battling Siki
72.Santos Laciar
73.Jimmy Britt
74.Lionel Rose
75.Willie Ritchie
76.Lupe Pintor
77.Sugar Ramos
78.Kid McKoy
79.Teddy Yarosz
80.Chalky Wright
81.Pedro Montanez
82.Lew Jenkins
83.Kid Kaplan
84.Salvatore Burruni
85.Buddy McGirt
86.Yuri Arbachakov
87.Donald Curry
88.Chucho Castillo
89.Betulio Gonzalez
90.Dwight Muhammad Qawi
91.Pone Kingpetch
92.Matthew Saad Muhammad
93.Terry Norris
94.Marcel Thil
95.Lou Bogash
96.Pete Sanstol
97.Willie Joyce
98.Jose Becerra
99.Johnny Famechon
100.Jiro Watanabe
101.Sung Kil Moon
102.Jose Legra
103.Jeff Chandler
104.Masao Ohba
105.Venice Borkhorsor
106.Davey Day
107.Rafael Herrera
108.Effren Torres
109.Jimmy Barry
110.Hector Camacho
111.Gilberto Roman
112.Johnny Saxton
113.Khaosai Galaxy
114.Sumbu Kalambay
115. Rocky Lockridge

 

wow your sooo knowlegeable....hearns got ko'd..twice..by barkley.....jones never fought a puncher like benn...and yes. its a punchers chance..but a cocky jones getting hit flush on the chin by a wounded benn, back to the ropes...??..goodnight vienna...

 

....thats not meant to sound as inflamatory as it does...oops...jsut pointing out that yup, been got kayoed by watson..he also took the g mans bombs all night...and got up from them..for me, neither hearns nor jones have stellar chins....better skills for sure....but compareable..or worse chins...

 

I think if you seen enough of Jeff you'd be more impressed. He was a very very well rounded fighter, who unfortunately fukked around a bit. The Sandoval bout i just throw out, i have no idea WTF happened there tho i have it on good authority drugs got him in the end.

He fought well vs Gabby tho, a very underrated performer. Ever seen Jeff vs Murata in any of there 3 fights?

 

Actually Hearns only got KO'd ONCE by Barkley genius, I see your knowledge shining through. Furthermore, I clearly said Benn would have a puncher's chance vs Hearns, but the most likely scenario however is Hearns getting to Nigel first.

Regarding Jones, Roy wasnt a fool. He knew when to jump on guys, and when not to. When he gets Benn hurt, he wouldnt become stupid or careless, thus giving Benn his only chance. This whole myth of the ever dangerous "wounded" Benn is blown outta proportion... Roy Jones isnt ****in Anthony Logan, or Doug Dewitt.

I can see your nuthuggery of Nigel is amusing, but the fact is Benn was simply not on the same level as Jones, or Toney. Nigel's best career win is tainted considering that G-man was BLEEDING IN HIS BRAIN courtesy of Benn's dirty tactics.

 

I have an order out for the first Murata fight, which I can't wait to see after seeing how well Murata performed against Lupe.

Have you seen any of their trilogy? What are your thoughts on it?

 

I haven't actually but i am positive i have one or two here somewhere on tape. Hopefully i will have the first one so we can exchange notes mate. I'm a big fan however of both Chandler and Pintor. Massive. Loved Pintor back then and warmed more (read appreciated) to Chandler more post of their era.

 

Cool. Will definitely put in a few words on Chandler-Murata 1 when I get the chance mate. :good

 

Incidently in the first 80 seconds EM lands a massive right hand that knocks Chandler clean off his feet but the ropes hold him up. Interesting that was.

 

d'oh..i WATCHED both barkley fights....schoolboy error haha....yes, benn is one of my favourite fighters, and yes, you did say he had a punchers chance..which is essentially what im saying too......i just fancy his chances vs jones because roy did get cocky and would, doubtless hurt benn..which is when he is most dangerous.....

toney, as i said, is a much, much harder fight....styles as ever make fights....i dont dislike eubank for instacne, but id say jones or toney beat him 99 times out of 100...but he had benns number..go figure..styles make fights..see where am comin from??...anyone with benns power is good in a head to head.....


another guy on his day who would give a lot of top ten guys fits could be ray mercer....surely a better fighter on his game than the big hitting but limited tua??..

 

ill probably get ripped to shreds but im going to say Scott Harrsion he is one of the strongest featherweights ever and had great stamina and could maybe out strength and out work afew people better skilled than him

 

na, i think thats a fair one fella...

 

Sweet_Scientist I think Lloyd Marshall and Jimmy Bivins should be top 100 p4p Marshall might even be top 50 his resume at middleweight is probably only second to Greb. Out of interest where do you have Burley and Holman Williams?