Odlanier Solis: the good and the bad

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    The good:


    -Handspeed: The man has very fast hands. A lot of his opponents were stunned mostly because they didn't see the punches coming. This is pure talent.

    -Technique & defence: He is very consistent in keeping a high guard throughout the entire fight. Solis is very skilled at slipping the jab and countering with a right hand, an essential technique that he needs to compensate for his lacks of height and big punching power. The man also has great countering ability, particularly with the left hook. The fact that he throws every punch in the book makes him hard to predict.

    -Combinations: His combinations are very fluid and he uses a nice variation of straight rights, left hooks and uppercuts, varying his distance while doing so.


    The bad:

    -Conditioning: He won the olympic gold medal at 201lbs, yet fought at 259lbs yesterday! And it's not like he was a teenager in the olympics either; he was already pretty mature at 24 years old. If i was his trainer, i'd get him down to at least 235lbs, preferably around 225lbs. This is a common problem for Cubans because they have a very sudden transformation from a strict communist country to freedom, a lot of money, and a big fridge.

    Incidentally, Solis beat Haye in the amateurs during a very exciting fight which you can watch here:
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    -Lack of power: I've seen nearly all of his pro fights, and almost every stoppage came because he outclassed his opponent rather than landing a really big shot. If he had good power then he would've finished Burnett in the 3rd with that hailstorm of punches.

    This need not be a very big negative; after all, Ali and Holmes weren't that big punchers either. But when you're 6'1 and fat, you kind of need that equalizer. Ali would've never had trouble with Norton if he had a big punch.


    -Feet stuck in the mud: A consequence of the lack of conditioning on his part: his footwork, while excellent from a technical point of view, is slow. Very slow. Carrying those excess 40lbs takes its toll which gives a large contrast between his hand- and footspeed. Burnett was able to peck him with a lot of jabs because of it, although most of them were blocked. Still, a good jabber with fast feet would give him a lot of trouble. Especially given that he's 6'1, he needs to cross a large gap with most of todays heavyweights. He lacks power and footspeed to do that. Now, power is God-given, but he can increase his footspeed by simply doing what a professional boxer is supposed to do: getting in good shape.

    -Workrate: A minor negative perhaps because he does throw about 40 punches a round, but again, if you lack power and size, you gotta work hard to compensate.


    The ugly:



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  2. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Nice post.

    I agree in all aspects. I like him, big talent, but I question his dedication. He needs a tough trainer to get his ass serious.
     
  3. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That lack of footwork is going to do him in. If your a smallish heavyweight with not great power, you need to be able to move. Otherwise these big guys will just keep you at range and beat you down.

    And of course, he needs to lose some weight.
     
  4. downthatbottle

    downthatbottle Please don't ban me Full Member

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    I thought 246 was his weight for this past fight.
     
  5. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haye would KO him most definetly at this point. I hate the amateur scoring system and rules.
     
  6. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Pontius -- thank you for that Ams. clip. That was exciting and I hadn't seen it before. Appreciate it, and your analysis of Solis pro so far is accurate in my view.
     
  7. myau1

    myau1 Active Member Full Member

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    My view of Solis:

    Power: Low to average
    Speed: Average to Above Average
    Footwork: Low
    Conditioning: Abysmal
    Record/Competition: Low
    Overall Boxing Skills: Medicore

    I don't see Solis as having a future in the Heavyweight division. I think we'll see him protected and his record padded over the next year or two. Eventually he'll be forced into or foolishly take a fight against a top contender. This contender will have speed, more power, and have fought better opposition and I believe will knock Solis out in a one sided affair.

    Even if he where to commit and really get in shape, I think he's just a mediocre fighter at best. I think at this point even Chris Arreola would put Solis on the canvas.
     
  8. razor

    razor Ali hater Full Member

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    According to Boxrec he was 246 yesterday. When he was superheavy world champ 2005 he weighted 230.
     
  9. FourtyOunce

    FourtyOunce Stick Ninja Full Member

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    I could have swore they said he was at the heaviest weight to date last night,, thought they said 257 or 259
     
  10. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think once his weight is done everything else will improve especially his workrate and movement hes to fat right now to have any real success in this divison. Drop it down he will be a World Champ he didnt win 2 of 3 over Felix Savon,stop David Haye,defeat Sultan Ibragimov and win a Gold Medal for being a bum thats for sure.
     
  11. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    another wack heavyweight to add into the already wack division
     
  12. Dudemeister

    Dudemeister Member Full Member

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    Didn“t Solis beat Alexeev at the amateurs too?!
     
  13. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The FAT division:
    Peter-check
    Valuev-check
    Johnson-check
    Solis-check
     
  14. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree with this post, on all points. :good
     
  15. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He was 259.5 lbs last night according to the commentators. Highest he's ever fought at.