Does Manny Pacquiao have the greatest...

kalunya5964 · Jan 12, 2009

treva1977 said: ↑

pac 29, dlh 35. six years difference.

jc 37,rjj 39. two years difference.
jc was 36, bh 43. seven years difference.
how come no body said pac was picking on an old man like they dont shut up about when talking about calzaghe????????
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What? Every Pac hater has been saying that since Pac-MAB I.atsch

kalunya5964 · Jan 12, 2009

eliqueiros said: ↑

Oscar's defeat is sweet and sour for Pac. Sweet, because Pac beat a huge name and boxing icon in a dominating way that no one has done before this. It's sour because yes Oscar was a shadow of himself, perhaps age caught up to him, perhaps the weight killed his energy, or perhaps he was defeated mentally before the fight even started when he said, "I'm in a no win position. I loose if I beat pac and I loose if I loose to Pac." Either way, I think Pac is the greatest active boxer right now because I see him this way even if he had not fought Hoya, his resume stands for itself. One could argue about Morales being shot but he won the first one and perhaps was not considered shot in his victory. The second two he looks shot at the hands of the Pacman. Barrera was not shot when he fought Pac the first time, coming off the Hamed win, nor the second time, coming off a close tight fight against Marquez. I definately don't see Marquez as shot. We as fans are lucky to have someone like the Pacman in our sport today.
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Very good points! Unfortunately some "experts" like Nallege are blind to all these!:-(

zerocool1523 · Jan 12, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

resume now that he has added the 35 year old Dlh to his resume? Dlh as we all knpow came down in weight to his lowest weight in 12 years, and hasn't fought a southpaw since the late 1990's??? Also, are there any more old Mexican fighters Pac can fight and make money with? One more for you. Is Pac-Floyd bigger than Floyd-Margarito. Call me a hater I don't give a flying !#$!$@! lol. Objective posters...please ignore my sarcasm towards the biased homers.
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he's not a pac hater. he's just dick riding pbf so hard that he's jealous that there is a new p4p king.:hi:

NALLEGE · Jan 12, 2009

kalunya5964 said: ↑

Oscar was the only really "old" Mexican that Pac has fought. JMM was 34 in the 2nd fight but he fought like he was younger than Pac. With the exception of Oscar perhaps, these "old" Mexicans were among the best in their division when Pac fought them. Pac also defeated young and undefeated Mexican prospects like Mira, Lucero and Solis but these were forgotten by most of Pac critics.

Fight fans have long anticipated for a Floyd-Margo fight but the anticipation, I think, has gone sour when Floyd refused the $8m offer to fight Margo and more so when he retired when it was becoming obvious that he could no longer avoid facing Margo. I think the fans interest in seeing this fight to happen has gone down and the interest in Pac-Mayweather has gone up largely because of Pac dominating win vs Oscar. (Not a good gauge however in determining the abilities of both fighter because Oscar obviously had nothing in that fight.) IMHO, Pac vs Floyd could be a real mismatch due to size difference and the massive skills of the bigger guy. But then again, I am not ready to dismiss the fighting heart and p4p abilities of Pac who had proven himself to rise against his biggest challenges in the past.
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Pac's a fine fighter, but he is overrated by his fans. Talk of fans being envious of PAc when criticizing his comp is assinine. Even Martin Luther King was hated on lol. You think Pac doesn't have his critic's. You all just love his style so that is why you PAc fans think he can do no wrong lol... Pac made his bones fighting past it or old guys. He struggled with a prime Marquez and a "past it" Marquez. What if he had to face the big 3 in their absolute prime.:bbb

NALLEGE · Jan 12, 2009

zerocool1523 said: ↑

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he's not a pac hater. he's just dick riding pbf so hard that he's jealous that there is a new p4p king.:hi:
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I'm wondering how all of the newbie fans know or found out that I hate PAc lol.

NALLEGE · Jan 12, 2009

Originally Posted by eliqueiros[/quote]
Oscar's defeat is sweet and sour for Pac. Sweet, because Pac beat a huge name and boxing icon in a dominating way that no one has done before this. It's sour because yes Oscar was a shadow of himself, perhaps age caught up to him, perhaps the weight killed his energy, or perhaps he was defeated mentally before the fight even started when he said, "I'm in a no win position. I loose if I beat pac and I loose if I loose to Pac." Either way, I think Pac is the greatest active boxer right now because I see him this way even if he had not fought Hoya, his resume stands for itself. One could argue about Morales being shot but he won the first one and perhaps was not considered shot in his victory. The second two he looks shot at the hands of the Pacman. Barrera was not shot when he fought Pac the first time, coming off the Hamed win, nor the second time, coming off a close tight fight against Marquez. I definately don't see Marquez as shot. We as fans are lucky to have someone like the Pacman in our sport today.[/quote]

This was a good post. A fan of Pac's who knows the reality of the sichation-situation lol...

scatterbrain · Jan 12, 2009

nallege i think is just envious of what the little guy has accomplished. ey, nallege, you said you were a fighter, what was your record?

did you ever turn pro?

NALLEGE · Jan 12, 2009

scatterbrain said: ↑

nallege i think is just envious of what the little guy has accomplished. ey, nallege, you said you were a fighter, what was your record?

did you ever turn pro?
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Yeah, envious Ask around. A few posters know who I am:good

scatterbrain · Jan 12, 2009

then, if you ever laced them up. why the hell are you so critical of a fellow fighter who has won acclaim. sure, he has been roughed up a couple of times.

kalunya5964 · Jan 12, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

All you have to do is check my history of posting and go into the threads I created. It is there for you to see.

Why Pacquiao will stop Dlh...

Manny Pacquiao is a fighter who is not gifted with an arsenal of punches. Manny's gift is his his athletic ability, and his mind. The man trains super hard for fights. He said he trains so hard that the this makes the fight easy. I believe him. Manny has pure speed and power. He isn't going to ko you with a right hook to the head or body, or stop you by breaking you down by fighting you inside. He comes at you with his beautiful feints before he throws the big left-right. These two punches come at you so fast, you can not react. Manny has also become a very good body puncher.

Dlh is a gifted offensive fighter with a chin who has lasted in this game with ring smarts, speed, and power in that left hook. The jab is an excellent jab when he uses it. Dlh has speed also even at his age, but can he sustain that speed. At his age, his chin and defense have to answer the bell in this fight.

Pac is in the prime of his life at age 29. He is at the apex of his skills. He looked ripped at the weigh in. Even though Pac wore sneakers while Dlh had on socks, Pac is going to look smaller than Dlh heightwise, but not in terms of who looks thicker. PAc has no choice but to attack early to gain Dlh's respect. They have trained to slip Dlh's jab and come at Dlh. the danger is being caught by Dlh's left hook counter. PAc has to roll to his left, throw the big left, and even try a right hook because Dlh will keep his hands up and look to counter.

Dlh is going to try to time PAc when he comes flying in with his left hook. Pac has trained to stay center ring so Dlh has to back Pac up and even trap him in the corner at times when he can, and bang to the body with fast combos. Pac can't fight inside, but PAc ties up well, nd he fights back hard when hit hard.

Outcome: Dlh won't be able to time Pac's feints. When Dlh tries to time Pac, Pac's big left (which he will throw harder than you've ever seen him throw it) will bang Dlh clean and hard which gets the crowd into it each time it lands, and Dlh will not have an answer for this big left. Dlh will be very scary for Pac early, landing jabs and even landing some hard shots which imo Manny will be able to take...but after a few rounds, the age and weight loss will have weakened Dlh to the point that his punch output will have been reduced to survival mode. Pac's damaging punches to the head and body will take its toll on Dlh who will be finished by round 10.
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WOW! I thought it was Pacdbest to posted it!:good

NALLEGE · Jan 12, 2009

scatterbrain said: ↑

then, if you ever laced them up. why the hell are you so critical of a fellow fighter who has won acclaim. sure, he has been roughed up a couple of times.
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Critical? I'm talking about his comp. PAc isn't the only fighter I criticize. I'm sure that if you take the time to read my past posts lol, I'm a fan and critic of PAc. PAc is no different than any other fighter I critique/criticize!

NALLEGE · Jan 12, 2009

kalunya5964 said: ↑

WOW! I thought it was Pacdbest to posted it!:good
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No, it was Nallege. I'm a quadruple fan PAc's, but I'm also a critic.

kalunya5964 · Jan 12, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

An honest man:good. We are all wrong at one time or another when it comes to picking fights. I've been wrong 1000 times before, and I'll be wrong another 1000 times before I die.
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Agree. I did not make any prediction but on Pac and won a little sum and two cases of beer!:good

kalunya5964 · Jan 12, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

Pac's a fine fighter, but he is overrated by his fans. Talk of fans being envious of PAc when criticizing his comp is assinine. Even Martin Luther King was hated on lol. You think Pac doesn't have his critic's. You all just love his style so that is why you PAc fans think he can do no wrong lol... Pac made his bones fighting past it or old guys. He struggled with a prime Marquez and a "past it" Marquez. What if he had to face the big 3 in their absolute prime.:bbb
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Yes Pac was overated by his fans and maybe by experts who regarded him as no. 1 P4P. Again, ODLH was the only really "old" fighter Pac has fought. Marquez was prime in the first fight and a "past it" 34 yrs old in the 2nd fight but IMO looked better than the 1st fight. MAB at 29 was prime in the first fight and Eric was only 30 (Pac's age at present) during his trilogy with Pac. Now what if he had to face the 3 in their absolute prime? Absolute prime for prime, Pac would beat them all by TKO or wide UD.:yep

kalunya5964 · Jan 13, 2009

NALLEGE said: ↑

No, it was Nallege. I'm a quadruple fan PAc's, but I'm also a critic.
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I don't think ridiculing a fighter would amount to criticizing!

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