Thrilla in Manilla Round 15

Ali TKO14 Frazier. End of story.

 

He said he was going to quit after the 10th, for the umpteenth time. Obviously, you'll blank it out of your mind the second you read it. :yep


ps. Funny how it took Willie Monroe about 20 years to announce what he actually saw at ringside isn't it? :think

 

I dont know why people read to much into quitting or not. If Ali was GOING to quit, He should have done it around the middle rounds when Fraizer was smoking. And taking EVEYTHING Joe had. Not in round 15, when you are beating Fraizer from pillar to post. And relly giving him one of the worse whippings of all time.

 

Some people simply want to believe that Ali wanted to quit but Frazier didn't. Sad isn't it.

 

Like I said, they read into much of the comments, sure Ali may have wanted it stop around round ten about when Fraizer was laying it on Ali, but he didnt and soldier on to relly turn the tied in rounds 12, 13 and 14.

 

Yes, the actual fight report read: "No one believed Ali when he said he was going to quit after the 10th round".

 

So I guess Ali's fight doctor and one of the most important men in his career is changing his story too?

Dr. Ferdie Pacheco said it after the 14th round. Not the 10th, not the 11th, not the 12th, or the 13th. I clearly heard him say the FOURTEENTH round which was the last round of the fight before it was stopped! Correct my ears if they're wrong but 14th spoken DOES NOT sound like the 11th.

People on this forum confuse the 11th round of the FOTC with the 11th round of Manilla. The only thing Ali asked his corner was the same question he asked after the second round against Larry Holmes.
"How much more do I have to go?"

NOTHING was mentioned in relation to the 11th round of Manilla as the questioning moment of Ali wanting to quit the fight.

Funny, I heard Willie the "Worm" Monroe discuss this nearly 20 years earlier, especially when the broadcasts of the "Greatest Fights Ever," television series was created.

I wasn't there in Manilla and I think it's safe to say that you weren't there either. I'm basing my evidence on concrete interviews that I've heard with respect to the most important men in Ali's career. In fact, Dundee and Pacheco were fearful of Padilla coming to their corner first after the 14th round seeing the condition Ali was in. Both of them mentioned this in interviews. What happened? Padilla went to Frazier's corner smartly because he was the loser of the round. For those on this forum with contrary beliefs, Ali did collapse in his corner after he was announced the winner and Frazier did seem slightly fresher and ready to go out on his shield, which makes his protest of Futch that more believable. Dr. Pacheco clearly stated how tired Ali was after the 14th round because he had practically punched himself out.

Who is the better person in Ali's corner to explain the effects of what both fighters were going through other than the fight doctor himself, Dr Ferdie Pacheco? He clearly explains the pathology with regards to the physical condition of both fighters and the ramifications of their battle.

 

Yes. Of course. Just like Cooper-Clay became 'Angelo tearing the glove' (which had to be replaced) and a 'five minute break between the 4th and 5th'. Didn't happen.

It was in the 10th,for the 1000th time. In 1975 Ali said he was "going to quit after the 10th", the round changed over the years, as it's simply a better story. This must be the 20th time I've told you, my bet is that it still won't sink in. The 10th became the 14th, got it? You believe the latter, I believe the former.

Yeah, he kept it a secret for 20 years, eh.

I'm basing mine on reports from 1975, not years and years later when stories are rehashed for dramatic purposes and memories fade. I heard the Willie Monroe 'eavesdropping' story just a few years ago too- and guess what, a new documentary and now Marvis Frazier saw it too.

 

I don't give a monkeys what Dundee or Pachecho said about the end of the 14th round. They are both saying all that to sound amicable about the whole situation on what happened during and at the end of the round. Dundee knows that when one fighter recieves a beating throughout a round and the referee whats to check on one or both fighters, the referee will obviously check on the fighter who recieved heavy punishment first. Considering the fight was fought in terribly humid conditions, the pace was high, and both fighters had taken heavy blows, then he would perhaps have checked on Ali after everything was fine with Frazier.

Ali had punched himself out and was physically drained, no question. But Frazier was the one who's face was like the elephant man, not Ali's. If the fight had sounded for the last round, Ali would have been the fighter in the ascendancy. What would have transpired during the last round is anyones guess. Who's to say Frazier wouldn't have conjured up one last great effort to fight on even terms with Ali? But his sight was so badly effected that would have been highly unlikely.

Ali collapsing at the end of the fight was due to the sheer relief of the fight being stopped combined with the fierce battle in scorching tempratures. Mentally he became relaxed due to the fight ending and physically his body just flopped like pancake batter.

 

Good post. Out of interest, I wonder when the 'cut the gloves off he's a crazy man' story first surfaced, early 90s perhaps? It took its time to be told didn't it? :yep

 

And how loveley isn't it that this story surfaces 15 years later from someone called "The Worm"? If presenting that as plain truth isn't dilligent fact checking, then what is? :nut

I suppose The Worm just had had to stay underground for a couple of years before he resurfaced.

 

Scouser. It's the same scenario as running a marathon. Some of those long distance runners collapse after they cross the finish line. It's a combination of everything that they'd been doing for 3 or 4 hours suddenly coming to an end. They just collapse like cheap tents, some of them anyway. It's mental and physical relief.

Yeah, it was let out the bag rather late wasn't it.

 

Imagine in 10 years Wlad says he was near Lewis's corner at the end of the 6th when he was fighting Vitali and Lennox said "Rip my mouthpiece out, he's a terminator, he'll kill me, that's what he does, that's all he does". :yep

 

Of course. On many an occasion do you see than collapse (or fall) at the line. Ask SalSanchez he'll know.

I wonder why they took so long for such a beautiful nugget to be told. :yep I've always been curious as to when the Cooper myth surfaced too actually.

 

:rofl