Precisely. It really gets in my craw that people take that sh*t serious and then have the audacity to criticize amateur boxing and refer to it as 'not real boxing'. :fire:fire:fire:fire:fire They wear what we wear sparring for actual 'competition', they don't train, they have little to no skill and the rounds are 1 freaking minute. :-(
Gets in your craw... havent heard that one before. Its not something dirty is it? My being a guy, if I try to say it am I gonna get weird looks? Its not some weird female genetal thing is it?
You cannot fight amatuers if you fight toughman? Are you sure about that??? I know you can't fight toughman if you fought X amount of amatuer fights. I don't see why you can't fight amatuers if you fought toughman... Anyways, he wanted to be trained, and I did my best training him. As for the weight...He lost it naturally through dieting and exercise. Yeah, I made him work hard, and sweat, but it was lost naturally. Kid never even got in the sauna to weight drain at all.... As for toughman not being a "real fight" I agree. The rounds are only a minute, and your fighting very unskilled opponents. Still though, your fighting people your size/ bigger, and there hitting with everything they got (16 oz gloves/ headgear). So, it's the same thing just a lot easier. Geez..Dunno why you all have to be so rude about it. This kid used to be really heavy (like 300 pds), made fun of, and had something to prove....That's why he wanted to fight. I just taught him what I knew, and asked the few people around me (that knew what they were doing) advice, and that's all the help I got. As for my personal gains off him, or feeling empowered. Yeah, I did want to see if I could take a kid, train him, and he win something like this. I don't want to fight any real matches (at least not the time being) so wanted to see what I could do with somebody else. And toughman isn't the most skilled thing to be in, but some of them are actually pretty tough, and *a few* do train. So, if he wins I'll be happy (winner does get a grand)...If he does good (after training him for a month 1/2) I'll be happy. I'm not a nutritionist, I'm not a conditioning coach, not a pro boxing trainer...Nothing. Just a guy that boxed a bit that taught somebody else all that I knew.......and obviously I don't know everything. Besides, dumbness goes on at the professional level as well. When you got idiots like Ricky Hatton blowing up to 180, and then coming in to camp everytime having to lose 40 pounds. That's KILLER on your body. You'd think a pro fighter would be smarter, and you think his camp wouldn't allow it. There's lots of fighters like this.
Yes, I'm sure. I'm a USA Boxing official, so I know the rules. If you don't believe me, contact USA Boxing. http://usaboxing.org/content/index/1870
I'll let him know. Kind of BS. You can't fight toughman if you had 5 amatuer fights. I can understand because you should be pretty skilled by that point, and you should shred these people. Cannot fight Amatuers if you were in toughman makes no sense though. Unless they look at it being disgraceful to the sport, but I think that's a bit much.
You are awarded a cash prize. It takes away your amateur status. They aren't regulated by the same rules and sanctioning bodies. It makes sense to me.
So...Does that rule only apply if you WIN toughman? Because the winners are the only ones who take prize money. It would be crap if some nobody decided to fight toughman for the hell of it (lost), and later on realized he wanted to have a boxing career, and his only shot is turn pro.
Win or lose, you're banned for life. There is an appeals process but it costs a lot of money and my bets are that very few are ever approved. Club boxing/toughman in the state I live in give cash for both winner and loser.
Apology accepted. I can understand your guys point, but guess I never made it clear exactly what the boy wanted, and what I went through to train him. I worked his ass off, and like I said made him sweat, but it wasn't unhealthy for him IMO. I worked out with him a lot....So, nothing that I didn't do myself. Plus, even losing the weight he says he feels a lot better, and he has tons more confidence. He got to learn how to box, he's in the best shape of his life (runs at least a couple miles a day, on top of boxing, a little weight lifting, etc), his stomache is actually flat for the first time in his life (due to dieting), and he's just confident. So, I'm glad I made that happen, and he's a good kid. Very determined. Only the winner recevies prize money here, but I'm sure he isn't allowed to fight then. Doubt he'll care. He's trained hard for toughman, and plenty of people that he went to school with (that he has something to prove to) are going to be watching so don't see him backing out. So yeah...I could understand your guys criticisms/ concerns, but he's healthy, and that is what he wants to do.
I still disagree with how you are going about it, and for the reasons I mentioned. These forums can be a good source of information...hell, the internet is a vast resource. But it can be both good and bad. What I notice, is that you seem to do, then ask later. Then just sorta do whatever. Paying little regard to what is being told to you. And which case I say...why then ask? Why waste mine or anyone else's time typing out a post based on our experience and knowledge to only disregard it. I do like to give back some of what I have learned, in thanks for receiving info. And I also learn more too. What I am suggesting is, get better informed before you make decisions or help to make decisions for those in this sport. If you want to be a coach, I think that is great. Take a certification course. You'll learn a lot and probably enjoy it. Yes, some athletes do sweat it out from time to time...well-trained athletes and by informed and practised coaches. Have done it myself. But still understand the inherent risk. Understand about boxing. The differences and complications with say having a go at a tough man and amateurs.. If not...you just potentially screwed your friend from participating in the sport as a fighter if it happens. So I hope you'll explain to him now exactly what may happen if he still does fight...well before hand. I was just frustrated as I kept seeing you coming back and talking of how you are sweating this guy down...and don't feel you are qualified to do so. And noticed other things. I didn't intend to make it personal.
Yeah. I guess I just wanted to try myself for the most part..So, that's why i do first/ ask 2nd kind of thing. Also, sometimes the more complicated questions you either don't get much of a response, or get flamed (if your doing something people disagree with). like if i were to say last Thanksgiving I was going to train this boy..He weighs 6'5, 210, and needs to get 184 for TOUGHMAN then I'd have gotten the hell flamed out of me. Which honestly I doubted he could do it either... Skill wise I think I'm a good teacher. I taught him how to use his height, move, fight if some shorter guy gets in on him, clinch if he has to, wrestle (lay his weight on them to wear them out), how to get away from that properly. Also taught him how to fight people his height (though I have no sparring partner for him that tall). So, I thought I did well at teaching him how to fight. As for the weight loss...he probably knew more than I did. I had access to a nutritionist the whole time (he used to be my martial arts trainer, and has been a nutritionist for about 20 years now), but I really didn't want to use him. He knows his ****, but the guy is just plain strange, and I figured he'd try to help train this boy, and push him in the wrong direction. He teaches JKD which is lead hand in front, and he's a counter puncher really (when he actually boxes). He'd teach this boy that, and it'd be ******ed. a kid who's 6'5, 184 fighting pretty much everyone smaller is going to fight lead hand, and counter. I did actually have to ask him for a diet though, and like I said the kid lost like 7 pounds in a week (while still eating 5-6 times a day). Broccoli, spinach, chicken, egg whites, and tuna (protein shakes allowed as well) LOL. The kid said he still felt great even without any carbs..So that was my main concern. That was a diet to simply just LOSE WEIGHT though while maintaining muscle. So, everything turned out alright so far, and he's making weight for sure (in a healthy manner).
Actually I do have a couple questions to ask. First one would be he weighs around 185 morning weight on whatever scale he's weighing himself. I wanted him to be around 180 cuz you never know if the scale is slightly different. So, he's planning on not eating much that day, and he has to weighin at 4:30 PM. How would he make sure he's going to make the weigh-in? He may lose a couple of pounds in the next couple weeks (i'm hoping) so that way he makes it no problem. It'd be very bad if he were to step on the scale at 185..which is heavyweight. That comes to my next question...After weigh-in. The fight doesn't actually start til 7:30 PM (3 hours after weigh-in) what should he be eating in that time frame? What kind of warming up should he be doing? There's lots of fights so god knows what time he actually steps in the ring. I know he wants to step in the ring warmed up, and ready to go. Think that's my biggest fear with him...He'd be like Wlad used to be, come in cold, get overwhelmed by somebody, and go down. Though...I really doubt that'll happen in toughman (he's got great conditioning mainly), but you never know... Any help would be appreciated.
I show a couple of kids a few things at my gym. I'm training my nephew as he gave me a dig once with his feet in the right poisition (without prompting) and I thought 'woah!' I show the kids (aged about 8-11) defensive techniques....a lot of them think boxing is fighting, whereas I show them ways to tie up their opponent, and just be genuinely cagey. The trainers only show them how to hit the pads and 'keep their hands up', if I had my way my gym (in Southampton, England, pro gym with a couple of decent domestic names) would be full of kids boxing like a mix of B-Hop/Benitez!