Is Duran v Leonard I the best win in boxing history?

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  1. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    many are comparable to Duran vs. SRL.

    Ali over Foreman certainly was bigger

    Schemling / Louis both fights has probably the greatest significance

    as far as battle of the titans Hagler over Hearns that was p4p 1 vs 2. Huge fight and great fight as well

    Id say Ali vs Frazier 1 was a fight for the consciousness of america taht reflected the times
     
  2. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    Good pick. Both these fighters had way more pressure on their shoulders then Duran and Leonard.
     
  3. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Most of those fights don't come close. Really only Frazier over Ali is in the same ball park. You also seem to be confusing criteria, the grounds for it is basically the quality of the opponent at that time, and manner of the win. So fights like Douglas - Tyson aren't even remotely close to being in the running, that might be one of the biggest upsets ever, but certainly not a win over the best opponent ever, in the best fashion.
     
  4. chimba

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    and most people dont knwo Schemilng was a great fighter in his own right. No one just KOs Joe Louis. I have to say Duran is like ****in God here. If youre a boxing connossier, you must think Duran is the almighty otherwise you know ****
     
  5. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Are you insunuating that Tyson wasnt a worthy opponent ?? or Tyson wasnt great enough at the time?

    Some of the fights that I mentioned at the time are as highly ranked as Duran and SRL was in their fight. Ali and Foreman was a clash of the titans. Hearns vs. Hagler. That ****in thing was a huge huge event!! That was no doubt 1 and 2 fighting each other and a more conclusive result at that.

    Boxings biggest win was a razor thin decision??? and he lost the rematch which in turn questioned some of the validity of the first win reagrding SRL strategy?? Thats not the biggest win Im sorry..Where are you getting these things??
     
  6. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am not insinuating anything. That version of Tyson certainly wasn't great. On a p4p basis, that version of Tyson isn't even in the same world as Leonard at his peak, that is the whole point.

    If you could read you would realise that the question isn't boxing's biggest win, it is the BEST. The only one you mentioned that is comparable is Frazier's win over Ali, as Ali is the only fighter out of those that you mentioned that is arguably better in terms of ability.
     
  7. chimba

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    But ill put it this way. Douglas win over Tyson certainly gets talked more about than Duran edging SRL. And Ill say in relative terms, that even if Tyson wasnt as great as duran p4p. Douglas being outmatched that he was on paper pulled off an incredible "bigger" win. This win was so big girls were talking about it.

    In all facets that was a great win, only thing holding it back was Douglas wasnt a great fighter

    Duran win was a great win..but greatest? no..
    again I dont know how people come up with this, you cant even google this ****
     
  8. Danny_Rand

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    No doubt. And thats funny seeing how his record above 135 wasnt that impressive when you take out the Leonard win. And its like Leonard didnt win the second bout walking away.
     
  9. Delroc

    Delroc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dougles KO over Tyson was way more stunning. Duran was at least a live underdog. Dougles was expected to just lie down that night.
     
  10. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't really disagree with what your saying, but you are answering questions irrelevant to the original post, like what is the biggest win ever (in terms of fame) and what is the biggest upset ever. That version of Tyson obviously wasn't anywhere near Duran in terms of p4p head to head ability but thats not even relevant, its the quality of opposition we are talking about, so the comparison is Tyson vs Leonard, and Tyson at his best never proved to be on a level similar to Leonard, so he isn't even remotely close in that poor state.

    The only opponent you mentioned that is on the same level, or better than Leonard is Ali. So Frazier's win over him is really the only fight you could argue that is better than a win over peak Leonard.
     
  11. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Maybe you didnt understand the original post. There was no criteria at all. It simply states the biggest win in boxing history. There was no qualifier that the person you beat needed to be p4p#1. Where does it say that? He later gave a criteria in teh second page and said the quality of opposition and the performance, thts fine

    Iron Mike might not be as good p4p as SRL or Duran but he was more popular than those two, he was making more money than those two combined. And he was certainly Quality and the best of the time. He was as big as its going to get in boxing. So if you beat the biggest, then it must be the biggest win in boxing. Certainly Douglas performance was one for teh ages, he set a blueprint on how to handle Tyson and executed

    But Im not even going to do that, Im considering other factors in judging, like the significance, the quality of fighters, the quality of the fight, the dominance of the win (this has to be important because close win isnt that big).

    The thread starter mentioned if the Duran win over Leonard the biggest win in boxing. The simple answer is no

    If the thread starter asked if the Duran vs. SRL matchup is one of the best ever in boxing, then I may consider it.
     
  12. Martini643

    Martini643 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no way, Douglas-Tyson imo is the best victory in the sport
     
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  14. chimba

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    When little HS girls in school talks about ohh someone beat that guy Tyson and at the same time Angelo Dundee is praising Douglas execution and strategy of that fight. Along with being such a massive underdog, if not the greatest, it has to be the most popular win in history arguably.
     
  15. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Not Duran over Leonard. simply because Leonard didnt execute to the best of his ability that night and it was still close. How many more definitions of Best win are we going to get?