Is Duran v Leonard I the best win in boxing history?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jan 15, 2009.


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  1. DINAMITA

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    This may be true, but it's utterly irrelevant to the this thread.

    Does Douglas-Tyson score higher than Duran-Leonard on QUALITY OF OPPONENT (No) and QUALITY OF PERFORMANCE (No).

    Therefore it is not a better win. It may be a bigger win, it may be a more important one blah blah blah, but it is not a better win IMO.

    Tyson was not as good or as hard to beat as Leonard, and Douglas's performance did not come anywhere near to touching the sheer elite quality of Duran's performance v SRL.
     
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  2. DINAMITA

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    This is my thread and my definition is the same as it was on page 1: QUALITY OF OPPOSITION plus QUALITY OF PERFORMANCE. I fail to understand why people cannot differentiate between best win and biggest win. They are completely different.
     
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  3. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    lol Douglas performance was a masterpiece. He basically dictated that fight til the flash KD. Tyson was invincible at the time as any fighter in history..did you see the odds?? In order for a B level fighter like Douglas to beat a Tyson at that time, his execution had to be flawless and that he did. What were the odds of the Duran fight, you make it sound like its an uphill climb
     
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  4. DINAMITA

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    Predictably quality post from Cobra amidst the dross and the failed understandings of the question. :good
     
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  5. DINAMITA

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    Yawn. Yes, of course Douglas-Tyson was a bigger upset, but that is not synoymous with the best win.

    I'm becoming bored of this now, if you think Douglas's win over Tyson scores higher on QUALITY OF PERFORMANCE and QUALITY OF OPPOSITION than Duran v Leonard I then fine, good for you.

    There are a few fights I'd have above Douglas-Tyson though, for me it isn't a real contender.

    Frazier-Ali I and Greb-Tunney I would both rank higher off the top of my head.
     
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  6. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Definitely quality post especially the way he implied that SRL always fought the same way.lol True but against Duran, he was suppose to fight the way he fought in the second fight! But he didnt listen to Dundee and his ego got the best of him, I bet Cobra didnt know that
     
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  7. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    dont forget Walcott over Charles
     
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  8. konaman

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    He actually didn't ask for the biggest, he asked for the best, and this why you aren't making sense, because you are confusing the two.
     
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  9. DINAMITA

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    Walcott over Charles is not even a contender either. Charles was a natural lhw fighting at hw, it was a very good win but nowhere near a contender for best win ever.
     
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  10. DINAMITA

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    Of course Cobra knows that, I doubt you know much of him as a poster if you think he doesn't. However, Cobra agrees with me that it wasn't a question of Leonard obeying Dundee's orders or not, he was prevented from fighting any other way by an elite fighter in rampant form who was swarming all over him all night.
     
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  11. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Im am melding the two..from my perspective Im not rying to twist things. My perspective is best=biggest and thats what I presented. I picked the best/biggest wins and certainly Durans win doesnt come out on top.
     
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  12. DINAMITA

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    Well make your own thread on biggest and best win then, but that is not what is being asked here. Social/cultural impact and profile of upset etc have little to do with the actual quality of the win. Answer the question as set or don't bother with the question.
     
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  13. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't necessarily agree that Duran's win is the best of all time (though it would be hard to say it isn't top 3), i just felt your criteria was off, with the mention of fights like Douglas - Tyson. It is very hard to separate Frazier - Ali and Duran - Leonard.
     
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  14. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    lol I dont need to make another thread, I am disagreeing with you on this thread. All Im saying is that no, its not the best win in Boxings history
     
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  15. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    I had stated my argument, Tyson was tops and invincible at the time, Physically and mentally.. For a 35-1 underdog Douglas to overcome that, he needed to fight perfectly and he did barring the KD. That wasnt a masterful performance? This is Tyson at his undefeated peak, hence the crazy odds.

    That performance, forget the semantics..was more impressive than Durans performance over Leonard where he was getting hit by bolo punches!..There was also more expectation from Duran, he was a great fighter himself. Douglas was a journeyman who looked like 1963 Ali for one night.
     
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