Roy Jones' Legacy...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mike South, Jan 17, 2009.


Page 1 of 10
  1. Mike South

    Mike South Member Full Member

    310
    17
    Oct 25, 2005
    Jones is fighting Omar Sheika, apparently, but let's do as I like to do and pretend he's retired. Let's face it... he's done. Personally, I write him off after the first Tarver win.

    Right, so now we're in the 'way-back machine' looking at his legacy. I've looked at it.

    First: A lot of the guys he fought at his 'peak' (at LH) had no pedigree - say what you will that's a fact. If I don't mention them here, they didn't impress me.

    Second: The Hopkins/Toney/Ruiz thing in quite well known, so I'll leave it alone.

    Now for those of you who are about to accuse me of pulling a 'Casey', I haven't talked about my thoughts while watching television or dropped the names of my friends who've written a book or the names of people who aren't my friends who have written a book that I once read or have heard about or just the names of my friends who also like boxing, but I am going long, so, without further delay, the case for Jones' legacy...
     
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    #1
  2. Mike South

    Mike South Member Full Member

    310
    17
    Oct 25, 2005
    1. Stephan Johnson: Jones' 2nd fight. 9-2 when Jones was 1-0. Beat no-one prior, but went on to beat Vince Pettaway.

    2. Ron Admunson. Jones' 3rd fight. 16-1-1 when Jones was 2-0. Previously went the distance with an undefeated Davey Hilton (24-0-1)

    3. Jorge Vaca. Jones' 16th fight. Vaca was 49-8-1 and had beaten Lloyd Honeyghan and Mark Breland. He had lost a split decision to Terry Norris.

    4. Jorge Fernando Castro. Jones' 18th fight. 70-3-2 when he faced Jones. Up to then had lost a decision to Terry Norris. Went on to beat John David Jackson, Reggie Johnson, Derrick Harmon, and an ageing Roberto Duran.

    More to follow...
     
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    #2
  3. Mike South

    Mike South Member Full Member

    310
    17
    Oct 25, 2005
    5. Thulane Malinga. Jones' 23rd fight. 35-8-0 when he fought Jones. Prior, he lost a split decision to Chris Eubank, and went the distance against Nigel Benn. After, he holds a win each over Nigel Benn and Robin Reid.

    6. Mike McCallum. You know what - you guys already know this one. But for posterity... Roy's 39th. 49-3-1 at the time. Wins over Julian Jackson, Milton McCrory, Donald Curry, Herol Graham and Steve Collins.

    7. Montell Griffin. Jones' 35th and 36th. Prior to meeting Jones held 2 wins over James Toney. Beat Jones in their first bout. Sure, he beat Jones with Jones' own stupidity, but a win is a win...

    More to follow...
     
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    #3
  4. Mike South

    Mike South Member Full Member

    310
    17
    Oct 25, 2005
    Last one...

    8. Virgil Hill. Jones' 37th. 43-2-0 at the time. Came into the fight with wins over Marvin Camel, Bobby Czyz, Frank Tate, Adolpho Washington, Fabrice Tiozzo (undefeated at the time), and Henry Maskaev (also undefeated at the time)

    9. Eric Harding. Jones' 44th. Entered the ring at 19-0-1 with wins over Montell Griffin and Antonio Tarver.

    10. Julio Cesar Gonzales. Jones' 46th. Came in at 27-0. Later beat Glenn Johnson, Darius Michelczewski (I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat), and Montell Griffin.
     
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    #4
  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,717
    13,100
    Apr 1, 2007
    Truly captivating stuff.
     
    Russell, Jan 17, 2009
    Russell, Jan 17, 2009
    #5
  6. Mike South

    Mike South Member Full Member

    310
    17
    Oct 25, 2005
    Footnote: I've read on this site that the greatest of all time fighters are those who dominated eras when world class fighters all fought each other which supposedly never happens anymore. I've also heard that some of the greatest fighters of all time are not as great as they could have been because of circumstances beyond their control.

    Sermon ends here.

    Comments?
     
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    Mike South, Jan 17, 2009
    #6
  7. p.Townend

    p.Townend Boxing Addict Full Member

    6,400
    4
    Jan 14, 2009
    I wish Jones had fought Michealzweski,think it would have been a good fight.Apart from that one fight thats missing he has had a truly great career.I dont know why he is fighting Sheika,the only reason i can think is he wants to go out on a win.I hope he gets it and retires.
     
    p.Townend, Jan 22, 2009
    p.Townend, Jan 22, 2009
    #7
  8. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

    43,717
    13,100
    Apr 1, 2007
    I don't feel DM was substantially better then Hill, who Jones broke beat with a single, multiple rib breaking bodyshot.

    Better he faced Hopkin's and Toney, honestly.
     
    Russell, Jan 22, 2009
    Russell, Jan 22, 2009
    #8
  9. Mike South

    Mike South Member Full Member

    310
    17
    Oct 25, 2005
    DM fought a rematch against Richard Hall, if I'm not mistaken,
     
    Mike South, Mar 2, 2009
    Mike South, Mar 2, 2009
    #9
  10. Mike South

    Mike South Member Full Member

    310
    17
    Oct 25, 2005
    I agree with you, man. Folks who disparaged his career at the time just didn't follow boxing.

    And I wish he had retired in 2003.
     
    Mike South, Mar 2, 2009
    Mike South, Mar 2, 2009
    #10
  11. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

    14,565
    11
    May 10, 2007
    I shall bookmark this thread as you have done what I failed to do out of sheer lazyness. :lol:
     
    196osh, Mar 2, 2009
    196osh, Mar 2, 2009
    #11
  12. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

    34,796
    65
    Dec 1, 2008
    I do not write anyone off until they really retire. He can and probably will beat Shieka easily. I think Jones has a good legacy. He dominated middleweight and light heavyweight in weak divisions yet fought Toney and Hopkins and Hill-3 guys who are HOF. So that right there gives him credit. The Ruiz fight does not mean much to me since Ruiz was made for Jones and anyone who has handspeed. Jones was a HOF fighter and was ATG. I cannot deny it.
     
    MAG1965, Mar 2, 2009
    MAG1965, Mar 2, 2009
    #12
  13. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    20,449
    51
    Dec 5, 2006
    The idea tht fight beond your best days ruins your legacy is kind of silly.
    Muhammad Ali fought will past his pime so did Joe Louis both are consedered ATG's. Sugar Ray Robinson as well. Also Benny Leonard. I could find more If I cared to do so. So why is it that some how Jones is ruining his legacy by contuning his career?
     
    ripcity, Mar 2, 2009
    ripcity, Mar 2, 2009
    #13
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

    51,461
    25,954
    Jan 3, 2007
    I think Roy Jones' legacy is extremely solid. There are those who will protest in outrage, but frankly I think his resume is every bit as good as Hagler, Leonard, Hearns and Duran. Sure, there is the argument that he doesn't have much in the way of wins over all time greats, but he arguably has more wins over ranked opponents and or titlists than those other guys do, or lets just say its a close race. He lost several fights late in his career, but as I just said, it was LATE. He was also bouncing up and down in weight during a time when he probably should have just stayed put. Legacy wise, Roy Jones is definately an all time great. Head to head, I might even have him higher than some who I rate ahead of him..
     
    mr. magoo, Mar 2, 2009
    mr. magoo, Mar 2, 2009
    #14
  15. Kaki

    Kaki Guest

    I think him dropping 30~50 pounds to compete in the light heavyweight division after beating Ruiz hurt him.
     
    Kaki, Mar 2, 2009
    Kaki, Mar 2, 2009
    #15
Page 1 of 10