The Greater Victory: MORALES v PACQUIAO I or BARRERA v HAMED?

yea i remember hearing him having personal family issues as well. there is a difference between wearing the reyes and the grant gloves, but erik could of been going through some problems as well. if a fighter is not 100% they can always move the fight, but eriks win over manny should not be discredited imo. erik delivered his last masterful performance that night

 

AGAIN................

you dont glorify a victory against a person who got only one eye from the 5th round onwards.....

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some of the quotes:

Pacquiao, who practically fought with one eye from the sixth to the 12th rounds, would love to have a rematch.

When asked what would have happened if he had been allowed to wear his usual Reyes gloves, Pacquiao said: "I think I would have ended the fight."


these are bad excuses but who knows. but these are facts.
a win is a win.

mab over hamed got no written excuses for it. then thats the one.

 

still, pac's team is the one to blame. they signed the contract and they should have read it well before they signed it. why would you sign something and cry about it after? dumbasses.


anyway, i think the gloves thing is a really lame excuse, just like the socks excuse. the cut hampered him more than the gloves

 

the gloves don't really matter

2 things for Pac in that fight. one was moving up in weight, the other was a nasty cut caused by a headbutt early in the fight.

Hamed wasn't exactly at his best when Barrera beat him either. I just think Barrera beating Hamed was a bigger statement at the time.

 

at that point in time, barrerra win was bigger and had more impact. pac was just rising through the ranks so to speak while hamed was the bigger fish so to speak.

and with mab and em, basically even in stature, and accomplishments, i would say mab had the bigger win but i think EM would eventually gain more recognition for being the only mexican to beat pac in his prime, which i will initially recon would start from 2003.

 

140 to 139 to be exact, Morales never even came in at 145 on his heaviest 130 lb fight, the 3rd MAB fight, he came in at 143 in that one.


Anyway - I voted Morales win over Pac simply because Pac is greater than Hamed, it would be so so hard to fight Manny in the same style & manner that Morales did & not get KOd never mind win a clear (tho close) decision.

I believe other elites such as JMM or Morales himself could have replicated what MAB did to Hamed, its just that Marco got the chance 1st.

I admit, at the time the fights took place, Barrera`s victory seemed the better one, its with hindsight you realise that Morales win over Pacman was better.


Botswana :smoke

 

obviously it was morales. hamed was a fraud from the start

 

I gave it to Morales because as Pac haters have been saying here, He was already SHOT at age 29 when he first fought Pac yet he dominated him. In contrast, MAB was at his peak when he demolished Hamed.:huh

 

So if he WAS mentally prepared, would he have stopped Erik? Would he have beaten Erik if he took him on immediately after MAB-Pac 2003 instead of JMM? ABSOLUTELY..

he's 0-1 with fights using Winning Brand Gloves. And all his fights but 1 (MAB II) have fighters that have tasted the canvas. A strong argument can be made that Pac ain't a hard puncher without his 'queeto peyes glubs'.

 

You do when that particular fighter (Pac) is an ATG & the pattern of the fight never changed dramatically because of the cut because someone like Manny aint gonna let a cut get in the way of his biggest ever fight.

Morales was nailing him with counters, using his jab & trading with Pac every now & then while throwing less & landing more, that pattern was just the same from rd 1-5 as it was from 6-11 (the 12th was crazy because of that southpaw ****.)

In a way it discredits Manny as a fighter if you make out he was thrown off his game THAT MUCH that it completely reversed the verdict in the fight, Pac is much more mentally tough than that.


Ps. I noticed someone say Erik won because it was Pac`s 1st fight at 130, well, moving up for the 1st time in ANY other weight never seemed to do him any harm, perhaps because he wasnt facing an in form Morales when doing so, credit again must go to Morales, Pac has proved on numerous occassions that stepping up not a problem for him, Id rather be stepping up than strip naked to weigh 130 on the nose as Morales did for their 1st fight, he should probably have been at 135 from the 3rd Barrera fight onwards but thats a whole other pile of **** that I dont want to debate right now.

Im just saying... give the guy his credit were it is due, he won fair, he won the battle & lost the war (his career), at least Pac can claim that.


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MAB win can not survive the test of time...it would soon be forgotten

 

:huh

So let me get this right.... if Pac fought Morales in 2003, he would not only beat Morales but ABSOLUTELY beat him.

Thats odd when you consider that the 03 version of Morales was fresher & sharper than the version that beat Pac in his LAST EVER WIN in 05....

while Manny is constantly IMPROVING every fight he somehow is much worse in the 05 fight with Morales than he was in 03. :huh

Stupid comments like that will get you tore apart by fans that have actually seen both Morales & Pac fight outside of their trilogy.

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yeah ryt :roll:

sometimes people are getting cheaper by the minute :roll:
trying to take whatever it is on the street.
i dont glamorized a victory against a 1 eyed person especially when you need a bifocal vision in this very demanding sport. the guy had said he had a hard time seeing. who know's what might had happened.

i know it is your only mini solace to get back at pac, but i dont blame you to declare that victory is a very important one. it is the only thing you have. :good