Working on My alltime list.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by WhataRock, Jan 18, 2009.


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  1. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nah..As I said his record was outstanding there.

    But I put some merit in how they look on film, how they deal with their opposition. Its not the most important thing, but I do take it into consideration.

    Obviously someone like Greb you cant do that but there is enough film of the guys he beat to say he must have been pretty damn good.

    Where would you have him though? Top 30, Top 40?
     
    WhataRock, Jan 18, 2009
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  2. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i would put him 23-25..also i would put cesar chavez higher than arguello
     
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  3. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    About 2/3 of the names inside 50 right now are worse than McFarland both in head-to-head ability and resume-wise.
     
    Senya13, Jan 19, 2009
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  4. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hmmm..Im not so sure I can come to that conclusion yet. I dont know of much film around of Packey and apart from Britton, Gibbons and Moran I dont know to much about that guys he beat.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 19, 2009
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  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McFarland is quite underrated. He also got the best of excellent lightweights like Freddie Welsh, Jimmy Britt.

    A sure fire top 50 for me.
     
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  6. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    Its your top 100 W.a.R... keep working on it mate... Cerdan, Fitzsimmons to be considered???
     
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  7. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fitzsimmons is 24 on my list..I had him in the late 20's a while ago..I dont think Ill be going any higher then that.

    Cerdan is sitting in the 80-90 range at the moment..I havent chosen a spot for him yet, not sure if Ill find room for him higher up but he wont be going any lower for now.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 19, 2009
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  8. WhataRock

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    He is well inside my 100.

    I just cant really agree that he beat 2/3 of my top 50 list in a H2H sense yet, as Senya thinks. I may be swayed one day, Ill have to look into it for myself.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 19, 2009
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  9. flamengo

    flamengo Coool as a Cucumber. Full Member

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    My oversight.... appologies.
     
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  10. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm still trying to track down that only loss on his resume, with no luck so far. At least, in early years reports he was asserted to be undefeated, maybe he admitted to a loss in one of his later years interviews, I don't know. He or his manager (don't have my notes at hand) admitted that they filled his early record with lots of KO wins in order to boost him for better matches, so it's possible they have concealed a loss too.
     
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  11. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Fitz should be around the top ten, being the first to hold 3 weight divison titles, before the likes or ross, Armstrong and Berg would repeat the feat, and of couse before the jr titles.
    Also Fitz was mostly a middleweight taking out the likes of Tomy Sharkey, by ko, were Jeff failed.
    The term pound for pound was used for Fitz, more than a good 40 years before Robinson.
     
    Dempsey1238, Jan 19, 2009
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  12. McGrain

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    I agree that Fitz should be top 15 at least. I see him just inside the ten.

    Rock, I think Zivic makes the lower end of the 100, yeah.
     
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  13. WhataRock

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    The wins just arent there for me to justify that IMO..Maybe I dont know enough about his opponants but seems to me he lost to basically every notable heavy he fought. Got Nonpareil towards the end of his career putting that one into perspective.

    A definite top25 fighter, has some excellent wins on his record..maybe he deserves to be slotted a little higher on my list but Im happy with him there.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 19, 2009
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  14. WhataRock

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    Cheers for the reply McGrain.

    As it stands Fritz is sitting just outside my 100, when I say just he is 106..not sure he will make it but Im sure some will argue against some of my inclusions in the last 20, which Im happy to hear.
     
    WhataRock, Jan 19, 2009
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  15. DINAMITA

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    Hey Rock, congratulations on making your list, I have posted my own top 100 a while back and I know how difficult a task it is. I like your list overall. Some minor gripes:

    - Mickey Walker is far too low. For me, he is a lock for any top 10
    - Having Marvin Hagler above Barney Ross cannot really be justified
    - Same with having Joe Louis above Archie Moore
    - It's just a personal opinion, but I never agree with how highly Jimmy Wilde is ranked in lists. I had him around 30th in my own. I don't see how his resume justifies these top 15-20 placings.
    - JC Chavez above Burley?
    - Michael Spinks above Roy Jones Jr?

    Other than that, good list. :good
     
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