If Hatton wins vs Pac, will you rank him ahead of Calzaghe in P4P rank?

I think Calzaghe is retired to be honest, so you may as well remove him from your list.

Hatton would probably go to about 3-4, behind Marquez. You don't necessarily have to put him above Pacquiao either.

 

Calzaghe beats (the great) JMM p4p imo, but retired he may well be.
If he's not retired though, fights Dawson, wins.If Pac-Man loses to Hatton then I feel Calzaghe goes to No1 P4P.
Yes?

 

If JMM beats Diaz and Hatton beats Pac.

JMM
Calzaghe
Hatton
Pac
Bhop

Of course Hatton goes above Pac if he beats him. The majority are not just picking Pac to beat Hatton, but destroy him!

 

Here on ESB yes. But on other forums, mostly even or Hatton atop...

 

Hatton wouldn't go P4P #1 if he beats Pac.

It is only two fights ago he was dominated for the large part and knocked out. Granted it was to the clear P4P #1 at the time, but still......

Top 5 would be fair enough.

 

Clear no1, end of discussion.

PacMan became no1 after Floyd retired as he beat a top P4P-er in JMM. JMM was no2 because he beat MAB back then, then an old Casamayor, and lost a close/debated to Pacquiao. Calzaghe beat Kessler, who wasn't a P4P-er, then and Hopkins, who was, now no2.

Hatton, who just beat the best figther his division could offer, only lost to the previous P4P champion outside of his division. So if he, the clear betting underdog beats PacMan, the pound-for-pound champion, who just beat DLH at WW, will take over.

I've heard some really good BS that "if some one on the skill level of Hatton takes over P4P, I'll kill myself" or "he doesn't have the skills to be no1" which is utter bull****. If a legitimate P4P-er like Hatton beats the clear no1 P4P champion - doing it from an underdog position, he takes over.

 

Hatton is the underdog...no doubt

Pac is clear undisputed p4p no.1

 

P4P isn't linear though.

If he were to beat Pac, then Marquez, there would be a legitimate case.

For me though, it would be both the above and a top 5 welterweight thrown in - Berto perhaps?

 

I read that Roach said that Pac would'nt fight under 140 again. So we now have to compare him to the Lightwelters. If he loses to Hatton then he must go below Hatton in the P4P rankings.

 

Absolutely correct.

 

Good point

 

It's a tricky one this. If JMM beats Diaz and Hatton beats Pac, then JMM is the undisputed number 1 IMO. After that it gets very murky. Pac is not really a lww, so should Hatton go above him? Hatton will then have two better wins on his resume than any that Joe Calzaghe has, so shouldn't he go above Joe C? If Hatton does go above Calzaghe then should he also go above Bernard Hopkins? I have real trouble placing Hatton above Hopkins, even this well past-prime Hopkins, as Ricky is clearly a vastly inferior boxer. There are arguments and counter-arguments for each point I have raised in this post. All I know is that JM Marquez will be number 1 if he beats Diaz and Hatton beats Pac. After that, it's anyone's guess. My own inclination would be to move Hatton up to 5th, because I don't believe that a win over a lower-weight/naturally smaller fighter is enough to make him one of boxing's true elite - despite it being one of the best wins of the decade. If Hatton pushes on from that and unifies his division and cleans it out, then he will have made it into elite territoty, but I'm not sure if this one win would do it because right now I view him as borderline top 10. The P4P#1 spot is not linear, it does not work like that. However, I would not argue with anyone who would place Hatton as 2nd behind Marquez, it is a valid opinion, just not one I subscribe to.

If JMM beats Diaz and Hatton beats Pac I'd have it:

1.JMM
2.Hopkins
3.Calzaghe
4.Pac
5.Hatton
6.Vasquez

 

I dont think he should be number 1..at highest he should be no2 below Joe or JMM. If he wins his next fight Id have Ricky under JMM aswell, even with a win over Pac.

I have Hatton just outside the top 10, at number 11 right now. I dont have a problem with him sneaking inside the top ten at 9 or 10 though.

These are p4p rankings I dont believe him beating a guy who won his first title at flyweight should impact on his p4p ranking to that extent.

But its all up to personal preference in the end.