If Hatton wins vs Pac, will you rank him ahead of Calzaghe in P4P rank?

calzaghe never had the initial big win to prove it, hatton did he beat the lineal champ in koysta. he already proved it.

 

If you even look at the BBC P4P ratings you need your head testing.

5-10 are just plain awful. At least one of the guys shouldn't be in there, the others are in the wrong positions.

 

koysta had the belts but was stripped because he was injured, he may not officially been undisputed, but he was the lineal champ. hatton beat him and until someone beats him, he's the man at 140 now.

 

Fair enough, but I disagree. Pacquiao was fighting at superfeather less than a year ago, he cannot be considered a natural lww IMO. I'm not saying Pac should stay at #1 if he loses, I don't think he should, I would drop him down certainly, JMM would be a clear number 1, but I don't think one fight and one win over a lower-weight naturally smaller man justifies a jump above a guy who has won fights at superfeather, light and welter in the past year and has been devastatingly good for years now. Moving Hatton from 10th to 5th above Izzy Vasquez and just behind the elite four on the strength of one win seems fair to me. JMO

 

He is 'the man', but that is not the same as PROVING undisputed by beating the other champions in your weight class. JMM beat The Ring champ Casamayor at lw in his 1st fight last year. If he never fights Diaz or Guzman or Campbell, will he in 3 years time still be 'The Man' because he beat Casa 3 years earlier? Some may think so - but it's a far cry from doing what Hopkins did and cleaning up all 4 belts, or doing what Calzaghe did and beating all the other champions.

 

You dudes will do anything to try to get Hatton to be number 1 p4p ha? I've heard so many fantasy possibilities to get Hatton number 1 p4p and an ATG ranking, its out of control.

 

I felt Hopkins beat Calzaghe, but anyways.....

 

It's pretty obvious to me that who you rank higher between Hopkins and Calzaghe at this stage depends pretty much entirely how you judged the fight between them.

As the majority of people saw a reasonably clear win for Calzaghe (and the media outlets you cite are likely to tend to go with the official result) then obviously you would find most people and media outlets will have Calzaghe higher.

That doesn't mean that there is no argument that can be made the other way, however.

 

Do you think you are coming off as very witty or clever with all these smileys and smugness? I don't agree that an h2h win necessarily always means that one fighter should jump above another in the p4p rankings, and no amount of tv channels and smiley faces will change that. When Roy Jones lost to Montell Griffin in 1997, did you move Griffin above him p4p? When Pernell Whitaker lost to Jose Luis Ramirez in 1988, did you move Ramirez above him p4p? When Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson in 1990, did you move Douglas above him p4p? When Hasim Rahman beat Lennox Lewis in 2001, did you move Rahman above him p4p? When Zahir Raheem beat Erik Morales in 2005, did you move Raheem above him p4p? Next. :good

 

Not necessarily.

I felt Hopkins won the fight, but it was so close (1 point margin of victory) that I don't feel too comfortable overturning the judges' decision entirely because it was not exactly a robbery that should be scoffed at and thrown out (Whitaker v Chavez style).

So instead I discount the fight entirely rather than overturn it and look instead at their recent form.

Calzaghe has beaten Kessler, the corpse of Roy Jones, and the joke that was Peter Manfredo.

Hopkins jumped 2 weight divisions to take the linear lhw title v Tarver, beat p4p#5 Wright, and dominated p4p#6 Kelly Pavlik.


No contest in all honesty.

 

Please let the ESB record show that I, DINAMITA, entered this thread to say that NO! I do not think that a win over Pacquiao justifies Ricky Hatton being placed above Joe Calzaghe p4p - and me, the man eternally hounded as a "hater" of Joe (absurd), has been hounded just the same anyway!! Aah, I love this forum... :good

 

I would note here that the fact that you considered Pavlik P4P number six is somewhat at odds with your view of P4P not being a linear affair, as Pavlik can only have been considered in that position solely through beating Taylor. Who, of course, was shot straight into a top ten place through beating Hopkins.

That's a side point however!

 

Why would Juan jump Calzaghe at Number 2, if he retires?

 

come on that was funny but your to much on the defensive to see it.

 

Well, delete my mention of his p4p status, and insert "undefeated linear mw champion, known powerpuncher" - 'same difference'. It pisses all over wins over Manfredo or Jones.