PACQUIAO vs. MORALES 1

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by rjamesd1, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    As I've said before, give credit where it is due. Morales put on the finest performance of his career and deserved the win. He was superb.

    And to be honest, I don't understand the need to discredit that excellent win. Pacquiao learned, strengthened, came back and dismantled the same fighter a year later.

    Let's give both men credit for their equally brilliant performances in either fight.
     
  2. rjamesd1

    rjamesd1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I stand corrected. 115-113 MORALES.:hat
     
  3. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Umm, sure. What do you want to hear? Morales is featherfisted and lacks precision because he couldn't knock Pacquiao out? He won the fight, period. Cuts happen.
     
  4. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Perhaps the wrong word.

    Did he or did he not outbox him, was pac 1 dimensional at the time?

    and I'll throw this in too, was Morales faded at the time too?

    the answer to those 3 questions is yes.

    does that diminish how I feel about Pac, absolutely not. Clearly the best fighter out there right now.
     
  5. kalunya5964

    kalunya5964 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, he was 29 yrs OLD in the first fight. Quite OLD right? JMM is 35, JC is 37 and BHop is 43 yet they still win championship fights. Holyfield is 46 and many say he defeated the giant Valuev.:huh
     
  6. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Please, you know it is the miles you put on in the ring and not in age necessarily. Please tell me you understand this.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Same fighter who had just taken a licking by Raheem.
     
  8. scatterbrain

    scatterbrain Boxing Addict Full Member

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    EM win despite the headbutt. clearly, em executed the better strategy. the headbutt, while really disadvantageous to pac is part of the game.

    and em had the bigger shots that night. but it was a great fight. no need to put one over the other. i am sure both fighters respect one another with EM having been the only mexican to defeat par.
     
  9. kalunya5964

    kalunya5964 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can accept that. Morales is a great fighter and he put on a excellent fight that night. What I can't accept is that some people here have been saying that Morales was already past his prime or shot in the first fight yet Pac a schooling as if Pac didn't fight him at a great disadvantage from rds 7-15.
     
  10. DINAMITA

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    Morales was never a lightweight, that was obvious. He wasn't cut out for the weight, just like Hatton at 147 or Whitaker at 154, and Raheem was also a bad stylistic match. It was the same guy, just Pac fought like a demon on the night of their second fight. If you give credit for Morales winning the 1st, it's very infantile to deny Pac the same credit only a year later.
     
  11. kalunya5964

    kalunya5964 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, I know that sir. But i think the mileage that seperated them by the first fight was not too much, Pac was 26 with 42 fights and Morales was 29 with 48 fights. Morales certainly was faded by then but saying he was on his last legs is entirely different.
     
  12. nezy37

    nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After the Pac tirlogy he lost to ****ing David Diaz.

    Look I'm not diminishing Pac at all here, but come on.

    and yeah the cut played a role but I think Morales beats him cut or no cut.
     
  13. kalunya5964

    kalunya5964 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I can't disaggree with you on this!:good
     
  14. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    2 factors in that fight. Pac was moving up in weight, and Pac got cut by a headbutt early in the fight.

    Despite that he still only lost by 2 points on all scorecards. Not that bad a loss at all, and he avenged it empatically twice

    Morales is a great fighter, but Pac wins on a level playing field.
     
  15. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I've never refused credit, I just adjust how much credit is truely given depending on the circumstances. Morales shouldn't have beat Pacquiao in the first place, he was a past his prime fighter, and the Raheem fight was indicative of that. Morales was not a great Lightweight, but younger version would have beat Raheem, despite the weight. I'd be shocked if you disagreed with that.

    Past prime Morales shockingly beat prime Pacquiao, and then past his prime Morales lost decisively twice in rematches.