Juan Urango wins UD and takes IBF Title including a 5 minute round

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  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Well done to all who picked him and well done to Urango.

    judge: Richard Green 118-108 | judge: Pasquale Procopio 116-110 | judge: Robert Hoyle 120-106

    Crazy scorecard 120-106 :nut

    I had Urango by about 4 points.

    Yes, thats a 5 minute round. The timekeeper fell asleep, during what was a curious fight IMO. Fun though.
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I haven't seen that much of either......

    Ngoudjo will probably stand him on his head and lose a UD.
     
  3. "TKO"

    "TKO" Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I voted Ngoudjo, this is gonna be a good one but I think his pretty dependable chin and more consistent workrate will take it over the power but crude and inconsistent Urango. I saw this one described as a "fans' fight" and I would agree in as far as it is one which the hardcore will look forward to for the clash of styles and the fact it is very hard to predict, but will unfortunately be seen as irrelevant by the majority.

    I don't see either guy being a Witter opponent in the near future as Witter has his card pretty much marked for the next year with Devon Alexander and (if he wins) the Bradley-Holt winner. Plus, I don't think it has much effect on Hatton's resume either way. if Urango wins then he looks better, but Ngoudjo (and hence Castillo/Malignaggi who beat him in close fights) looks worse, if Ngoudjo wins vice-versa. Hopefully this one should be a good fight anyway.

    "TKO"
     
  4. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    That seems unlikely, this fight is in Canada.

    Ngoudjo lost a questionable decision to Castillo in Vegas where they favour the aggressor.

    He lost a questionable decision to Malignaggi, a few miles down the road from Malignaggi's house.
     
  5. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I had Castillo beating Ugoudjo, but the Paulie fight a draw......
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I personally think this may well go the way TKO described.

    Juan Urango to me looks a very leaden footed fighter. He has incredible upper body strength and he's built like an ox, but it appears like his legs do not really support him very well, I don't think he moves at all good. However, he does have a firm base and gets his body right through those hooks. That is pretty much his gameplan when he comes forward. He's also strong in the clinch as we saw against Hatton.

    Ngoudjo on the other hand is well schooled. I think his edge in footspeed and handspeed could be a key difference. I'm sure he'll keep his jab in Urango's face and try to throw combinations before Urango gets inside, and I think he's got the power to get Urango's attention. He hurt Malignaggi worse than anybody IMO.

    I will take the superior skill, and cruically speed and activity of Ngoudjo to outpoint Urango. Urango is very live with his power, but I think they breed these African kids tough enough to live with that.
     
  7. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Like this idea TFFP...
     
  8. D-MAC

    D-MAC Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'll go against the odds and pick Urango by decision; I wouldn't count out a late TKO/KO win either.

    Urango is massive at the weight, packs a big dig (looking at his KO rate in general, his stunning KO of Vilches, and the fact that he appeared to really hurt Hatton with a body shot early in their contest) and appears to have an better than average chin and good 12 round stamina.

    However, Urango was and is a bit crude (see Hatton again), and looks like he could be OUTBOXED; I'm just not sure Ngoudjo is the man to do it (he's not exactly Pernell Whitaker in the "hit-and-move" stakes). Ngoudjo has a high workrate and throws punches in clusters, but he does't really pack much of a dig, and may not be able to hold off Urango for the full contest.

    Ngoudjo has some good wins lately: Paulie M (I had him winning) and Mbaye; and he also dropped a split decsion to Castillo. But holes can be picked in the credibility of those results/performances: Paulie (erratic performer and maybe overrated due to his brave performance against Cotto), Mbaye (prone to terrible off nights - see his performance against Rees), Castillo (a bit/way past his prime).

    Urango hasn't that many high-profile wins, but he did lock horns with Hatton (who is a good level or two above anyone Ngoudjo has fought). Hatton won the fight wide, but he was given one of his more uncomfortable nights by Juan...mainly due to his physicality. This physicality might be the key, because I can't see Ngoudjo boxing him as successfully as Hatton did.

    I can see Ngoudjo maybe landing more, but with Urango taking a tight decision or a late stoppage with his superior power shots.
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I think Ngoudjo would be well advised to not try and fight like Hatton did. Hatton's problem against Urango was he came inside to do his work. You are really playing into Urango's hands by doing that because he's strong and he can land his hooks. In the end Hatton was just too quick...and dare I say it skilled...and got an uncomfortable shut out if that is possible. To me its fairly damning when Hatton shuts you out completely, and I would put that down to Urango's crude nature and lack of speed.

    I think Ngoudjo is a more natural outboxer than Hatton which gives him a better starting point from a styles view.
     
  10. PaddyD1983

    PaddyD1983 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great post TFFP.

    Havent seen enough of either fighter, but I'll go Ngoudjo based on workrate.

    Looking forward to some of your future ones then if you're going to make this a regular thing. Specifically, Darchinyan v Arce and JMM v Diaz! (And if possible, try to keep the TV coverage part. This saves me a lot of time :good)
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I will be, as I don't visit the General very often and I still like to talk about non-Brits.

    I'll be doing all them of course.

    Yeah..thats what I thought about the TV. There are always threads asking where a fight is.
     
  12. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nice thread TFFP :good.

    Only going by what I've see of each fighter (which is not a lot). I think Ngoudjo is the better fighter technically and much faster than Urango. Ngoudjo also seems to be a decent counterpuncher. Urango, on the other hand, is not as skilled and slightly crude but can bang a bit.

    I think Ngoudjo will take this on points but it won't be easy. Urango's physicality will cause Ngoudjo and win Urango some rounds but ultimately Ngoudjo's class will prevail. If this is close and goes to the scorecards Ngoudjo will get the decision as the fights in Canada.

    IMO Ngoudjo will win 8-4 or 7-5 on the scorecards.
     
  13. Vantage_West

    Vantage_West ヒップホップ·プロデューサー Full Member

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    i like ngoudjos style and he is a hearty guy but i have seen him completly out on his feet against emmanuel augustus which is an awful sign. and urango even tho a bread and butter fighter he has that awkwardness of beign southpaw whcih migth lead him to land a right hook and spark herman.

    but the more logical idea is that ngoudjo outboxes and out hustles the slower plodding man.
     
  14. antcull

    antcull Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really interesting fight this one, great for an ESPN FNF.

    Like most people here i've only seen a couple fights of each and it looks a really even fight with an interesting clash of stlyes.

    My head says Ngoudjo 115-113 with Ngoudjo just doing enough in terms of workrate to get the decision, Urangos power should cause him a few problems though. Whether Ngoujdo can handles Urango's strength and power remains to be seen.....Wouldn't be suprised at a win for either fighter.

    If Urango dominates then Hattons does become more impressive as Castillo and Malignaggi failed to beat Ngoudjo convincingly. If Urango gets a close win it wouldn't make much of a difference.

    Well done to Eurosport 2 for picking up this one :good
     
  15. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    its on eurosport as in UK?