Wladimir Klitschko vs. David Haye

You gotta give Widdow cred for being "creative" at times. :yep

Think WALD will trade some bombs with the Hayemaker - or just wrestle him into submission?

 

I said exactly what I feel. I said that I would be fine with Wlad giving Haye a shot... but Haye CERTAINLY hasn't done anything to warrant the critics saying that Wlad is ducking him. I said that Haye hasn't done anything at Heavyweight in order to put himself into the position of being ducked. I have said from day one that Haye is a dangerous opponent. However he sure as hell didn't do anything special at heavyweight that should have had all you guys saying that he deserves a shot over everyone else, and that Wlad was ducking him if he didn't immediately fight him.

I still stand by what I said, and I honestly think that Haye would lose to several of the top heavyweights. However, it is the critics, and the "Hate Squad" members like yourself who were calling for this fight, and saying that Haye will knock Wlad out. I knew that you guys would backtrack and change up the program as soon as you found at that it was Wlad taking the fight. Not only taking the fight that you guys said he wouldn't take... but also going into Haye's backyard to do so.

With that... of course I think that you guys should give Wlad respect and credit for taking a fight that you said he wouldn't take. Also, if Wlad wins... I sure as hell hope that you would be man enough to give him credit for beating someone that you have been saying will knock him out.

 

Yeah, what happened to "Haye needs to get in line."
Who knows who he needed to get in line behind anyway but oh well.

 

Is "creative" Latin for "moronic" :huh

Check the attitude change if you don't believe me, he was banging on for ages about how Haye didn't deserve a shot at WALDO, then when Haye was fighting VITLAY he went quiet.....then a respected poster tipped certain people off that in fact it would be WALDO fighting Haye instead of VITLAY and Window appeared creating a thread trying to make out he was Nostradamus or something despite having the same inside tip several of us got

Now all of a sudden he wants the Haye fans to give WALDO full credit for a WALDO win over someone who before he got the tip wasn't even worthy of a shot. No surprise here, I'm still getting over the circle jerk thread he started when WALDO beat Rahman, the same Rahman that quit after 3 rounds with Toney :rofl

I've never wavered on my position regarding WALDO V Haye - it's exciting because both fighters are vulnerable. WALDO has the edge in power, Haye has the edge in speed and movement (despite what Skull-**** says)

It's going to be an interesting fight - and that's what the division needs, I've picked Haye by KO in this poll because that's what I want to happen, not because I have much confidence in it. I bet most of the Klit-ites aren't very confident too, only they aren't man enough to admit it.

 

The real credit here goes to Haye. He is essentially unproven at HW and less than a year ago fought 50 pounds south of Klitschko - a lifelong SHW. The fact that Haye has been so aggressive about getting the fight so soon after leaving cruiser shows a ton of jam. I don't see what Klitschko has to win in this one. Taking the fight doesn't warrant any special consideration. Maybe Haye is really something special, but that's far from proven at this weight right now. I would even venture to say that Wlad probably thinks he is taking on an easy mark, given Haye's very limited track record at HW.

 

Please feel free to name the guys that deserve a shot ahead of Haye.

Also feel free to name the guys that WALDO has fought lately that deserved a shot more than Haye does.

As a bonus I'd like to know who these 'top heavyweights' are that would beat Haye before he earnt himself a shot at WALD?

I've not wavered in my opinion on this, I think both fighters deserve credit for taking this match - the only thing I ever took the **** out of was the Klit-flip, which was most amusing. Don't even try to pass it off as a toss of a coin like you did earlier in the thread, it's obvious to anyone with a brain that neither Klit wanted this fight.

 

Yep :yep

 

I did use encase the word creative in quotation marks for a reason. :yep

Wow, that really is quite a change in perspective - even for Widdow. Heavy agenda sometimes forces people into such unfortunate situations. :rofl

I am slowly gathering some Haye fights, FW. From what I know you have nailed it - both fighters are vulnerable. But Klitschko is a huge, bona fide HW and he now has a propensity to simply grapple at the first hint of danger. If Haye doesn't have a solid answer to that he is behind the eight ball. I voted for Haye because I like his moxy. Takes a lot of balls to do what he's doing at this stage of his HW career.

 

Then why are you picking Haye to win by knockout? Your prediction contradicts what you are saying. I give Haye credit for being willing to fight Wlad. I also admit that he is very talented, and brings a lot of excitement with him. I simply believe that everyone would have been better served if Haye was actually willing to prove himself first, and beat a top contender like he said he would. Haye promised the fans that he would be fighting a dangerous top ten heavyweight... and he actually said that he would knock out two top 10 heavyweights and then fight Wlad. However, I think that Haye and his team realized that they probably wouldn't make it past the likes of Povetkin, Chambers, Brock, Peter, Chagaev, Thompson, ect... and figured they better cash in now and hope for a miracle. When everyone would have been better served if Haye were to fight on the same card as Wlad and prove himself first. A card that featured Wlad vs Arreola, Haye vs Povetkin... or vice versa would have done HUGE things for making this a mega event, as well as adding credibility to Haye as a heavyweight so that Wlad isn't the only person taking a risk. However... as I said, I think that it's obviously team Haye didn't like Haye's chances against someone like Povetkin or Arreola and wanted to cash in now.

Why exactly does all of the credit go to Haye? The man is in a win-win situation, while Wlad is taking all of the risk, and doing so by going into the Challengers back yard to do it. What does Haye lose, if he loses this fight? Nothing. He gets a big payday and has excuses out the ass. Hell, even people like you who are picking Haye to win are already acting like all credit goes to him, win or lose. That just proves my point.

I don't know why you and Fighting Weight are acting like you agree with each other, when he has been telling everyone that would listen that Wlad doesn't have the balls to fight a real challenger like Haye, that Haye being an undisputed Cruiserweight Champion warrants a title shot, and that Haye would knock Wlad out. It seems like the only thing you two agree on is that Haye will knock Wlad out... yet neither of you are still ready to give Wlad any credit for taking the fight... or for a win.

 

Ah I see what you were doing now, you say "creative", I say "******" right?

Enough about the Window defective gene pool anyway let's talk boxing.

Yes, maybe WALDO will try the WALD n' Grab on Haye to sap strength and drag the fight into the later rounds to win it.....I don't think that will work personally. At the risk of complimenting WALDO I think both these fighters are extremely intelligent and Haye won't fall into the 'wrasslin' trap and WALDO won't fall into the 'stupidly try to KO him early when you haven't got a chin yourself' trap.

I see this as being a toss-up, either fighter by KO in the mid rounds. I'm picking Haye because he's faster and more skillful but I ain't confident, and I've not once claimed to be.

 

So many holes, so little time :rofl

Dangerous top 10 heavyweight? Please name 1 that WALDO has fought lately that is better than Barrett? Please, I beg you say Rahman :rofl:rofl:rofl

If Rahman is worth a shot then Haye deserves 3 shots in a row, seriously.

Again you seem to miss the simple logic....why the **** should we give WALDO credit for beating a guy that you think isn't even worthy of a shot? Please get it through your thick skull that as long as you say that kind of **** about Haye you'll be in a lose-lose situation.

 

CHEF is a good guy, I wouldn't take the **** out of him otherwise. I know he'll laugh at that, and come back with some **** about Haye :rofl

 

So if WALDO wins, it means nothing? :good