Is Sugar Ray Leonard the complete boxer?

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  1. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    If not, what is it that he can't do? He can fight from a distance, be the aggressor, he can punch, throw lightning fast combinations, short punches, be on the backfoot, etc.
     
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    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Absolutley he is complete.
     
  3. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    He couldn't score on the backfoot. I'm going to be specific about this. Throwing jabs while backing away similtaneously. Against Hagler he stopped, threw punches, then got on his bike around the perimeter. Very few fighters can effectively get off or land punches while backing away from their opppnents at the same time. I never seen Leonard do it.
     
  4. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No. Why? Because he could not win the hearts of proper blue collar boxing fancy.... He was brilliant, but far too arrogant. We did not need him, we had Hagler, Hearns and Duran.

    If he was complete, after the Camacho fight, the fancy would of felt sorry for him, instead there was a feeling of he got what was owed him.
     
  5. Rebel-INS

    Rebel-INS Mighty Healthy Full Member

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    That has nothing to do with his ability in the ring.
     
  6. stevebhoy87

    stevebhoy87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He is probably as close to the complete fighter as i have seen. I don't think here is any fighter ever who is totally complete though
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think Robinson is "more complete" than Leonard.

    Harder puncher, better on the backfoot and a better finisher (which is saying plenty).
     
  8. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But in-ring ability is only part (all be it a significant part) of being a complete boxer. Leonard's arrogance, self importance and detachment from the boxing fancy, meant he was never going to be the complete article in truly the sport of Kings.
     
  9. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Leonard is the most complete boxer of all time in my estimation.
     
  10. Rise Above

    Rise Above IBHOF elector Full Member

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    I'd say he is pretty close to the complete boxer.
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think he's the most complete I've seen. Have to take another look and see how he threw punches while retreating, though.

    I agree that he ran, punched, ran against Hagler, but that was after his prime. Off the top of my head, I've never seen a better or more complete perfomance than his fights against Benitez, however.
     
  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Get out of here. This is fighters we're talking about, not good-will ambassadors.

    And who would you rather have? SRR the wife beater maybe, or someone else?
     
  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I'm purely talking from a boxer's technical perspective, i don't care about ambitions, politics or inspiration here.
     
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    Duran showed he is not perfectly complete, and Robinson was just as complete with more power. I'd consider him one of the two pretty much complete boxer's we've seen.
     
  15. Robbi

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    On my earlier post. Watch parts of Whitaker-Nelson. That sums things up. Whitaker moves back in a straight line and cracks a triple jab through Nelson's guard, similtaneously. Leonard could hit on the move laterally, but not on the backfoot. His effectiveness on the backfoot was all defense, standing stationary, then throwing punches. Thats not boxing on the backfoot. He does score highly with his ring generalship nontheless.