Juan Urango wins UD and takes IBF Title including a 5 minute round

TFFP · Jan 30, 2009

I don't think I've seen the Castillo fight, I heard it could have gone either way.

I thought he definitely beat Malignaggi. I'm not convinced Urango can outpoint Ngoudjo without multiple knockdowns, so hopefully it won't be an issue tonight either way.

Beeston Brawler · Jan 30, 2009

Do you think ***gi was a HBO creation?

I have never felt he was up to much, other than showing plenty of balls whilst getting his features re-arranged he has done nothing of note.

He just got the lucky lottery ticket of a Hatton payday. Had he ran into any of the other champs at 140 he would still have been beaten, albeit not as convincingly.

SouthpawSlayer · Jan 30, 2009

i have always liked urango, and hope he wins tonight

his style is ok to watch and what a ko he scored last year, ko of the year

TFFP · Jan 30, 2009

I'm not sure. Nobody even rated him highly. He was seen as the second best in one of the weaker, or at least less proven divisions. Whether he actually was the second best is highly debateable, but even so its not a great accolade.

He was fortunate enough to catch the worst ever version of Cotto, and while it was relatively close on the cards, the kid still took a pounding. He did well against N'dou the first time, he struggled the second and I scored it for PM by a point. Likewise against Ngoudjo, except I had Ngoudjo a clear winner. His overall form suggests he was never second best, and was fortunate overall with matchmaking and decisions in his favour. Nothing in his performance would tell you he's a top fighter, when he has one effective hand, no power, and his defence is not good enough to fight that style.

Beeston Brawler · Jan 30, 2009

For a supposed slickster he is remarkably hittable - at times he made Hatton look like Pernell Whitaker atsch

The only way he avoids shots is running, perhaps with a better trainer who can read the opponent better he could enjoy further success, but other than a decent chin and heart, he has very little.

Once the shot landed in the 2nd round he wasn't interested anymore, and was comprehensively outboxed for the remainder of the fight.

There are so many ways to beat him, I am surprised that he only has 2 losses on his record, even if you add the gifts he received..... say 3 or 4 losses, doesn't reflect his failings very accurately.

D-MAC · Jan 30, 2009

SouthpawSlayer said: ↑

i have always liked urango, and hope he wins tonight

his style is ok to watch and what a ko he scored last year, ko of the year
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It was a belter:

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SouthpawSlayer · Jan 30, 2009

cheers buddy never get sick of watching that

TFFP · Jan 30, 2009

He was carefully manipulated into that ranking. Mainly on the back of a brave performance against Cotto, and then against a very slow fighter like N'dou. When he lost the use of his right hand, he struggled even more with N'dou the second time. It all suggests he was a top 10 fighter, but thats his limit.

I think he should retire. The guy has got one hand due to injury. That is not enough at the top level unless you have remarkable attributes. I think he's hit his peak by picking up a belt, getting into #2, I don't see any way he can bounce back and reach the same heights. For that reason on a sporting level he should retire and become a promoter/commentator. Unfortunately the money will loom.

Beeston Brawler · Jan 30, 2009

His armoury of punches is non-existent.

Whether it was his training or not, I don't know. He ought to have thrown lots of lead left hooks against Hatton together with jabs - he was very predictable.

alba · Jan 30, 2009

im not sure who to bet with ...i still think urango ,but the tide seems to go with the other fighter

Stovepipe · Jan 30, 2009

huki said: ↑

Urango has slow feet, balance problems, fights flatfooted, needs to be set to punch, and often doesn't move in with the jab to get inside.. instead he just makes his way inside with his physical strength/presence and chin. That's why he's had so many problems with quick outside boxers who like to move a lot. I wouldn't really put Ngoudjo in that category though. He's quick and has a good jab from the outside, but I think he's a lot more comfortable fighting boxer-punchers who give him room than all out pressure fighters. All of the notable fighters he's faced (M'Baye, Malignaggi, Castillo, Bailey, Augustus) pressured him in spurts and gave him trouble with it, but at the same time they let him push them back too often and showed him too much respect.

Ngoudjo has never faced a fighter like Urango and I'm not sure if he's ready for someone like him. Urango is one of the physically strongest fighters in the sport and Ngoudjo has never faced someone who will not only outmuscle him on the inside, but also will not show him respect for his power. Urango has been badly hurt once, but it was in the first round of a fight he didn't train 100% for and by a harder puncher.. I think it's pretty safe to say it will take a lot for Ngoudjo to hurt him on a night like this where he should be fully motivated.

No matter what Ngoudjo chooses to do, IMO he'll be uncomfortable doing it. When he chooses to fight backwards, he'll have trouble because Urango will walk him down and force him to the ropes, where he'll be able to explode. Ngoudjo has a nice jab moving backwards and side to side, but that's all he has really. He needs to set himself to throw combos and when he does this, he's highly vulnerable to getting hit, especially against someone who will not move back when he throws and will answer back with wild power punches instantly. I think there will be a common scenario here where Ngoudjo tries to unload a combo, but leaves himself open or stays inside for too long and gets caught by big Urango hooks moving straight back or right after he misses. When that happens, Ngoudjo might become too cautious and do two things.. clinch (which might be good for Urango because he could tire him with his strength in the clinch) or move to the ropes with his guard up too much, letting Urango have too many opportunities to unload and catch him with more shots.

Ngoudjo is used to moving/jabbing, throwing a combo on the inside, then pushing his opponent back and throwing more. He won't be able to push Urango back and like against Bailey he'll be worried about his power, so I see him panicking a bit and making even more mistakes than usual. His chin is a real concern here. He was on the verge of getting knocked out by Augustus in the 12th (more because of exhaustion though) and was stunned a few times by Bailey. Urango not only has power, but he throws from many angles and I think he could catch Ngoudjo with punches he won't see coming that hurt him. Going to war with Urango would be a terrible idea, but when he's uncomfortable with boxing I think he will be forced to do it and it will lead to getting tired faster. I favor Urango to break him down and stop him in the mid-late rounds when Ngoudjo is probably up on the cards, but tiring and looking worried.

So, that's the argument for Urango being favored. The other likely outcome is Ngoudjo following a smart gameplan for 12 rounds and pacing himself to win a clear decision. He could do this by jabbing and moving a lot more than ever to keep Urango off balance, then clinching when Urango gets on the inside and throwing combos when it's less risky to do so (after Urango misses or 1-2's from the outside when he's off balance). I don't think Ngoudjo will box that smart though, he's too much of a fighter at heart and is not comfortable being in the ring without mixing it up. The one thing I'm really not sure about is how well Ngoudjo will take Urango's bombs.. to sum this fight up in one sentence: if Ngoudjo can take Urango's occasional bombs and box smart for the majority of the rounds, he will win. I don't think he will, but it's basically a pick'em fight.

IMO.. 35% Urango TKO, 20% Urango Decision, 35% Ngoudjo decision, 10% Ngoudjo TKO.
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great post

huki · Jan 30, 2009

TFFP said: ↑

Excellent, I agree with most of this. Good to have you in the Brit forum :good

I think you are correct with the percentages, I'm a little uncertain on Ngoudjo's ability to take those punches. Hopefully he'll follow a gameplan where he does not need to do so on a regular basis...but you never know with him. This is going to be an absorbing fight.
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What parts do you disagree with? The more I think about it, the more I see Ngoudjo having problems with Urango's physical strength and relentless attack.

TFFP said: ↑

I think he should retire. The guy has got one hand due to injury. That is not enough at the top level unless you have remarkable attributes. I think he's hit his peak by picking up a belt, getting into #2, I don't see any way he can bounce back and reach the same heights. For that reason on a sporting level he should retire and become a promoter/commentator. Unfortunately the money will loom.
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I would still favor him over fighters like Alvarado and Figueroa. His NY/NJ fans will continue to buy tickets and he might pick up another belt if he gets lucky.. no point of retiring yet.

GazOC · Jan 30, 2009

I'm sure a fight with Zab at 140 at the MSG would be a big seller in New York and winnable for Paulie.

TFFP · Jan 30, 2009

Get out. Judah would kick his ass. Zab has a poor mentality that is particularly vulnerable under pressure. He's not worried about a one handed featherfist that he can tee off on, and prefers to fight walking backwards.

GazOC · Jan 30, 2009

TFFP said: ↑

Get out. Judah would kick his ass. Zab has a poor mentality that is particularly vulnerable under pressure. He's not worried about a one handed featherfist that he can tee off on, and prefers to fight walking backwards.
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Zab is a 6 round fighter even at 147, his stamina couls well be even worse at 140. I wouldn't have PM as favourite but he'd def. be in with a shout after the first 4 or 5 rounds.

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