Pac-Man isn't really P4P #1, but he will destroy Hatton!

The facts are straight. Pac gets most of his credit for beating MAB and EM (I had JMM winning both times they met) yet they were all coming from losses, regardless of who against.

He's a good fighter but thats only because of his high workrate and the Barrera and Morales that faced each other in feb 2000 would have destroyed him (again, imo)

Morales was already on the decline when they met for the 1st time in some peoples eyes. He was never gonna go on well into his 30's due to the type of warrior he was.

The first Barrera win was a great one for pac but he's never eclipsed that imo

 

In a pound 4 pound fight I favor Pac all day over Calzaghe. Maybe not against Mosley and Hopkins but definitely Calzaghe who I don't think would be able to handle Pac's speed and power.

 

considering what pac has done already i wouldn't worry about anyone who wants to try to use this as an excuse

 

I know this is back on the 3rd page, but wtf is Bernstein doing putting Calzaghe at #3, and Danny Jacobs putting Hatton at #3?

 

So stupid I thought even *******s would ignore it.

Morales?
Juarez?
Pacquiao?
Eddie Croft was thought to be a bad dude when Marco took him out.
He took every round from your boy Agapito Sanchez.

Not to mention most of the over 30 fighters MAB fought hadn't been in 16 all-out wars when MAB fought them, and there are plenty of 30-31-32 yr old fighters on the list of guys I want to see Pac fight, but they're not used up so he won't. Now MAB is taking on Amir Khan.

MAB didn't have to take on Pac. He looked around for the toughest young gun he could find and gave Pac the fight because he thought he deserved it and he liked him, now all you *******s **** on MAB all day and night... well because you're a pack of assholes, pretty much. MAB, throughout his career and in his prime, has shown 10x the courage Pac has. You don't like it, blame your boy, not me and not MAB.

In short: MAB

 

This is a stupid thread.

 

He fought Corrales, JLC, Jesus Chavez, and Carlos Hernandez at the peak of their powers. He also beat Hernandez, Mandredy, Juuko, Sosa and Gerena with ease. His resume also puts Manny's tour of the retirement village to shame.

 

Yep, a MAB who had been thru MANY wars, in his 15th year as a pro, who got burned out of camp and had to break camp AGAIN to prove he could fight with a metal plate in his head. Regardless, Pac's best win by far, and he's tried to coast by on it ever since fighting past-prime and semi-retired fighters. He got a shock against JMM because JMM wasn't as used up as your boy thought, and now he's going to wait until JMM turns 40 to give him another shot. Smart boy, Pacquiao!

 

a prime sasakul was beaten by a teen-age pac in his own backyard. a very green pac dismantales a prime ledwaba in two weeks notice. a green pac beats your prime, top 3 best in the world boy MAB. pac was the first to give JMM the chance for a big fight which MAB and morales didn't give to him. meanwhile MAB just fought a 1-8 bum in mexico. :hi:

 

You can have your own opinion on who is P4P #1, I don't mind. But just accept that most have a different opinion than you do. Especially me. I also have mine. One cannot say that Pac has fought old fighters without doing the same thing to the other fighters. Lets get that straight first. You say Pac has fought old fighters yet you don't say a thing about Calzaghe's fights against old Hopkins and old Roy Jones(both of whom managed to drop him in the 1st round). You need to be consistent with your arguments if you really call yourself an objective poster. So IMO, I don't see how Calzaghe can overtake Pac in the P4P rankings unless Pac loses and Calzaghe does not retire and keeps winning. It is further supported by the fact that Pac's accomplishments also trumps Calzaghe.

Mosley shouldn't be above Pac either. He was SUPERB in the Margarito fight. But lets not get ahead of ourselves just because of that one win. Especially since many people had him losing to Mayorga before the KO in the previous fight and of course there's that loss to Cotto. If he fights Floyd and wins then yes he has a case of overtaking Pac and become P4P #1. Until then, he's as high as #6 or #7 for me.

Now with Hopkins. I honestly think that if Hopkins got the nod against Calzaghe he would've been #1 P4P in my book. BACK TO BACK wins against P4P rated fighters such as Calzaghe and Pavlik at that age of his would've been legendary and he would've retaken the P4P crown no doubt. But sadly the judges didn't see it that way, so that Calzaghe loss hurts his case for being above Pac or being P4P #1.

With Pac, he has a win against the then P4P #3(now P4P #2) JMM who was supposed to be a stylistic nightmare for him, moved up to 135 and beat David Diaz for the WBC belt who, while not an elite, was a young and PRIME fighter. And then moved up again. This time 2 divisions north and beat a guy who he was supposed to lose and get brutally beaten.

The thing is this is not just about the wins itself, its also the manner of the wins and the circumstances involve. Pac successfully fought in 3 full divisions in the space of a YEAR(that includes skipping a whole division to go up further), where most of the time he was the one moving up and fighting bigger men, one of which he was supposed to lose bad. If you add that with his accomplishements like being a champion in 4 weight classes plus the wins he keeps racking up, then he's CLEARLY #1 for me. No doubt.

My P4P rankings:
1. Pac
2. JMM
3. Calzaghe
4. Hopkins

 

Oh so now you give your reasons for MAB fighting over 30 year old fighters, yet you crucify anyone who gives their own on Pac? How ****ing unfair is that? Now that someone has turned your own logic against you, you do everything to justify it. But when someone tries to justify Pac's wins, you snarl and growl at them.

Oh the hypocrisy. atsch

Why don't you just admit to us that you just hate Pac. Nobody's gonna be shocked at that coz everybody already knows about it. What have you got to lose right? Just admit that you hate Pac's guts. That you don't really care about Soto, Guzman, Linares, etc. You just want to have something to discredit Pac so you use those guys.

 

calzaghes got a very solid chin, i think he would handle the power without any problem, and calzaghe looks best against come forward fighters, it would be a great fight and a toss up imo.

 

You say that like they're some kind of big names or something. Both of them were B fighters at best. Your boy wasn't **** until MAB gave him a chance. Now keep on disrespecting him, hero.

 

that the irony about calzaghe, isnt it?

you cant judge his ability and chin on class opoonents because hes never faced a proven world class fighter in his prime.

JC is clearly an excellent fighter, but he's most likely to be remembered as the most talented fighter who never fought a world class fighter in his prime.

 

I have ALWAYS made the distinction between 30 yr old guys who have been in WARS and 30 yr old guys who are still fresh. Want me to name four or five 30 yr old guys who Pac SHOULD have fought but won't?

I don't hate Pac. As soon as he stops fighting old and shot guys and starts fighting the best available competition, like MAB and EM did before him, I will love him.