This is my personal list of top 100 All Time Great Boxers. personally i use this criteria: 80% accomplishment and historical significance - this invloves fights with the fellow all-time greats, titles held, punching power and boxing skills displayed, dominance and longetivity. 20% timeliness and contribution to the growth of the sport- this also includes mainstream popularity. 1. Sugar Ray Robinson 2. Henry Armstrong 3. Muhammad Ali 4. Sam Langford 5. Harry Greb 6. Joe Louis 7. Ezzard Charles 8. Roberto Duran 9. Willie Pep 10. Benny Leonard 11. Ray Leonard 12. Manny Pacquiao 13. Pernell Whitaker 14. Archie Moore 15. Carlos Monzon 16. Bob Fitzsimmons 17. Joe Gans 18. Barney Ross 19. Marvin Hagler 20. Mickey Walker 21. Gene Tunney 22. Barbados Joe Walcott 23. Rocky Marciano 24. Alexis Arguello 25. Sandy Saddler 26. Jimmy Wilde 27. Jack Johnson 28. Julio Cesar Chavez 29. Roy Jones Jr 30. Bernard Hopkins 31. Tony Canzoneri 32. Lennox Lewis 33. Evander Holyfield 34. Charley Burley 35. Thomas Hearns 36. Kid Gavilan 37. Emile Griffith 38. Eder Jofre 39. Jack Dempsey 40. Salvador Sanchez 41. Ike Williams 42. Michael Spinks 43. Floyd Mayweather Jr 44. Stanley Ketchel 45. Larry Holmes 46. Jimmy McLarnin 47. Jose Napoles 48. Tommy Loughran 49. Ruben Olivares 50. Carlos Ortiz 51. Fighting Harada 52. Wilfredo Gomez 53. Bob Foster 54. Billy Conn 55. Dick Tiger 56. Panama Al Brown 57. George Foreman 58. Joe Frazier 59. Aaron Pryor 60. Tommy Ryan 61. Tiger Flowers 62. Kid Chocolate 63. Jake LaMotta 64. Manuel Ortiz 65. Abe Attel 66. Terry McGovern 67. Carmen Basilio 68. Ted Kid Lewis 69. Luis Manuel Rodriguez 70. Ricardo Lopez 71. Oscar De La Hoya 72. Jim Jeffries 73. Jack Britton 74. Carlos Zarate 75. Wilfred Benitez 76. Felix Trinidad 77. Erik Morales 78. Marco Antonio Barrera 79. Mike Tyson 80. Shane Mosley 81. Pancho Villa 82. Azumah Nelson 83. Miguel Canto 84. Packey McFarland 85. Pascual Perez 86. Joe Brown 87. Juan Manuel Marquez 88. Marcel Cerdan 89. Flash Elorde 90. Vicente Saldivar 91. George Dixon 92. Joe Calzaghe 93. Harry Wills 94. Holman Williams 95. John Dundee 96. Mike McCallum 97. Antonio Cervantes 98. Gene Fullmer 99. Jim Driscoll 100. Sonny Liston 101. Non Pareil Jack Dempsey 102. Beau Jack 103. Nicolino Locche 104. Khaosai Galaxy 105. Benny Lynch 106. Duilio Loi 107. Freddie Welsh 108. Philidelphia Jack O'Brien 109. James Toney 110. Jimmy Bivins 111. Harold Johnson 112. Bob Montgomery 113. Maxie Rosenbloom 114. Freddie Miller 115. Eusebio Pedroza 116. Lou Ambers 117. Jeff Fenech 118. Lloyd Marshall 119. Mike Gibbons 120. John Henry Lewis 121. Battling Nelson 122. Tommy Gibbons 123. Young Stribling 124. Johnny Kilbane 125. Young Griffo 126. Pete Herman 127. Kosta Tszyu 128. Nino Benvenuti 129. Georges Carpentier 130. Vitalai Klitschko 131. Wladimir Klitschko 132. Ken Buchanan 133. Winky Wright 134. Jack Kid Berg 135. Jack Blackburn 136. Johnny Tapia 137. Tony Zale 138. Lew Tendler 139. Jersey Joe Walcott 140. Jack Dillon 141. Owen Moran 142. Fidel Labarba 143. Frankie Genaro 144. Battling Levinsky 145. Midget Wolgast 146. Fritzie Zivic 147. Joe Jeannette 148. Orlando Canizales 149. Kid Williams 150. Joe Lynch 151. Les Darcy 152. Kid McCoy 153. Esteban De Jesus 154. Freddie Steele 155. Michael Carbajal 156. Humberto Gonzales 157. Nigel Benn 158. Chris Eubank 159. Jack McAuliffe 160. Israel Vazquez 161. Rafael Marquez 162. Terry Norris 163. Ivan Calderon 164. Jim Barry 165. Floyd Patterson 166. Jung-Koo Chang 167. Battling Battalino 168. Jack Delaney 169. John Coulon 170. Ismael Laguna Peter Jackson Max Schmelling James Corbett Jeff Chandler Ken Norton Dwight Qawi Ad Wolgast Sam McVeys Sammy Angott Teddy Yarosz Naseem Hamed Joey Maxim Joey Giardello Billy Papke Billy Graham Chalky Wright Tommy Burns Matthew Saad Sugar Ramos Kid Lavigne Lew Jenkins Bobo Olson Billy Petrolle Max Baer Victor Galindez Sammy Mandell Laszlo Papp Willie Pastrano Young Corbett III Bud Taylor Frank Klaus Benny Bass Pepino Cuevas Sixto Escobar Red Lopez Harry Harris Jimmy Carter Ingemar Johansson Brian Mitchell Billy Soose Jose Torres Billy Smith Gorilla Jones Eddie Perkins Harry Lewis Len Harvey Kid Norfolk Pedro Montanez George Godfrey Edwin Rosario Jimmy Slattery Lou Brouillard Marcel Thil Barry McGuigan Bobby Chacon Daniel Zaragoza Willie Richie Jackie Fields Carlos Palomino George Lavigne Jess Willard Baby Arizmendi Tom Sharkey Kid Kaplan Curtis Cokes Fred Apostoli Randy Turpin Charley Mitchell Hilario Zapata Riddick Bowe Myung Woo Yuh Jiro Watanabe Darius Michalczewski Michael Nunn Carlos De Leon Virgil Hill Pone Kingpetch Tomasz Adamek Yoko Gushiken Rosendo Alvarez Jose Luis Castillo Ricky Hatton Kelly Pavlik Paul Berlenbach Joy e Choynski Joel Casamayor Diego Corrales Cocoa Kid David Haye Johnny Buff Horacio Accavallo Eddie Booker Joey Archer Miguel Cotto Frankie Burns Masao Ohba Lupe Pintor
Not bad Asero..I would change some things personally but its your list and your criteria is probably a bit different..its pretty good. Lennox seems very high to me. As does Dempsey for that matter. Top 50 seems pretty solid..the next 50 is pretty hard I reckon, so its not such a big deal if you have big differences to other peoples.
Personally I think Monzon and Ali are too high and Gans to low. In saying that we all have differing opinions on this kind of thing and to do a list like this isnt easy.
my problem with dempsey is he is reltively inactive from 1920-1926..that supposed to be his prime years. i still believe that duran and leonard are better lightweights than joe gans.
Well done on the list. I actually put up the 'who is the most respected boxer ever ?' thread with you in mind, 'Peerless' Jim Driscoll boxing achievements were excellent he absolutely hammered Abe Attell, number 74 on your list, he had an estimated 120000 people attend his funeral and has statues as well as streets named after him, which contributes to boxers ranking according to your list ? yet he does not make your top 100, when to my mind he should be above Attell. This is no criticism of your list just an example of how difficult it is to create a good list, you also have left off another Welsh great in 'Fearless' Freddie Welsh, this could be because you are American ? and have little knowledge of these boxers, you research resources are also proberbly all American {although both Jim Driscoll and Freddie Welsh fought many times in the states and were both stars in America} You mentioned previously that a panel should create a list and not an individual, there is such a list, an American based list, created by boxing writers and historians, they have George Dixon as a top 30 ATG, i don't see him on your list. Some people would have Jack Johnson no where near as high as number 11, he is often ranked close to Jim Jeffries who is number 89 on your list. I knew you was going to rank American boxers and modern boxers to high and non American and old boxers to low { i could tell from some of your previous posts} - To high Ali 3 [American & modern] well known poster 8 Foreman 64 [American & modern] well known poster 91 Frazier 61 [American & modern] well known poster 92 Holyfield 27 [American & modern] well known poster 40 Hopkins 30 [American & modern] well known poster 55 Mayweather 39 [American & modern] well known poster 74 Moseley 74 [American & modern] well known poster outside top 115 Pacquiao 32 [modern] well known poster outside top 115 Morales 80 [modern] well known poster 110 Barrera 82 [modern] well known poster 111 Trinidad 70 [modern] well known poster 94 To Low Jofre 33 [Brazil] well known poster 20 Napoles 50 [Cuba] well known poster 26 Driscoll not ranked [Wales] well known poster 36 Welsh not ranked [Wales] well known poster 105 Duran 9 [Panama] well known poster 6 Harada 51 [Japan] well known poster 28 The above boxers struck me as either being to high or to low, so i checked them against sweet_scientist's list {i believe he has a good list} and indeed they came out as i thought.
Congrats on producing your list, good effort mate. My personal opinion: This content is protected This content is protected JMO :good
Dinamita where did you rank Jim Driscoll in your ATG great list the other month?? Just curious........
I should not answer for somebody else, but the person you are asking is strong on modern boxers but not so strong on the old timers . {Driscoll,Dixon,Jeffries,Montomery,Beau Jack etc} But whenever he updates his list, then be ready for a good one, as he is constantly taking information on board. {PS no offence meant, just a honest assessment}
To be honest other than the old-time featherweights my pre-war knowledge is fairly basic but I'm just interested to see how high people who know of Driscoll rate him. I have a very high opinion of him and if he had white washed Abe Attell after the days of newspaper scoring and no results then he would have been even more revered.
Driscoll did dominate Attell, Nat Fleischer when commenting on the bout said that Driscoll was clearly the best and proved to be the best featherweight in the world. Attell was lucky not to be knocked out.
Yeah I've read about that fight a lot and Driscoll was definitely unlucky, even if he had knocked Attell out the world title still wouldn't have been awarded to the Welshman.......and we think Sauerland is bad these days!!! Just imagine if we had the newspapers and policemen scoring fights today and deciding that without a knockout you can't win the belt!?
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