Roach: "If Pacquiao Fights Smart, He Will Beat Hatton Easily"

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  1. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Not quite, JB. :lol: This does look alot like one of your other Pacquiao posts though. Big time HYPE.
     
  2. scatterbrain

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    yo, san rafael, just want to get you comment bro. i am a pac fan and i respect hatton also. a year ago, i would have thought that it would very difficult for pac to fight hatton, me thinks that it will still be a difficult fight. however, i seem that despite their same age, hatton seems to have hit his plateau in terms of boxing skills maybe 2-3 years ago but pac seems to have improved in the last 2-3 years over-all.

    does it have something to do with his long time collaboration with roach or the opposite with ricky hatton? your views please.
     
  3. Jbuz

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    I'm not trying to hype Pacquiao. I'm just saying you were being far too generous to Hatton. You can't possibly mention speed as a factor for Hatton when he's facing one of the fastest guys P4P, who has beaten much faster fighters than Hatton. And his biggest vulnerabity is his defense, Hatton may cut the ring off when Pacquiao moves laterally, but Pacquiao will tag him. Accumulation is where Manny wins fights, and you need sound defense to beat him. 10 rounds.
     
  4. nhojrem

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    like sr mayweather doesnt..
    but just worst:nut:nut:nut:nut
     
  5. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    You have been hyping, JB, all kidding aside. You're also missing the point of my descriptions. They have a very specific purpose, and it has nothing to do with making Hatton sound better than he is. Perhaps you should look again. The things being highlighted are directly related to the styles and reactions of each fighter, and the direct marriage of their pairing. So instead of trying to critique how much credit you feel I should be giving Hatton, just counter the ****ing argument. Don't waste our time by telling me how much better you think Pacquiao is - which you were doing when I started our interaction. Get on the subject, bud. The STYLES, BUD. STYLES. Hatton's speed isn't the least bit imperative to the issue. The fact that Hatton never stops coming forward, and Pacquiao jumps back constantly when his opponents are coming forward is what I've been talking about. WHAT are you talking about? Pacquiao will win? That's deep, man..
     
  6. nhojrem

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    :blabla:blabla:blabla:blabla
     
  7. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    More than anything the amazing caliber of competition Manny has been in against the last few years has increased his ring IQ and raw skills. You can learn alot fighting the great little technical fighters he's fought. Roach has been instrumental as well. Manny has kept himself open to learning and developing.

    There's alot of reasons.

    I can't follow exactly... Do you mean Manny has improved and Hatton has devolved?
     
  8. Realspitts

    Realspitts Boxing Addict Full Member

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    oh my bad, i meant to call you little ***** :lol:

    your full of **** ****boy b/c i've seen pretty much all of the post interviews and floyd never said that. - i mean wtf? get your head outta your ass and stop feeding us faulty ass quotes (which you deleted) from hatton wonderland.

    why did you EDIT & DELETE your statement ? :think

    GTFO here!
     
  9. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    :tired Funny how I never get any real rebuttals. :tired
     
  10. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    edit what?? DELETED?? HUH??????
     
  11. scatterbrain

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    good point on the first paragraph. pac ring IQ i think really has improved and has been helped by the fact that he has never been knocked down since, what, the hussein fight.

    i mean , manny has improved and i think will plateau this year or next year and that it. hatton, not necessarily that he has devolved. its just that, i think his skills set has matured 2-3 years ago and has not been improved. he is still one ****ing prime fighter if you ask me and my initial post has always been pro-hatton even if i am a pac fan. from a one dimensional fighter, pac has gained more defensive moves, whereas hatton is still the same brawler style similar to tsyzu.
     
  12. Jbuz

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    What the **** are you talking about?

    Speed is the issue here. Pacquiao is fast in movement and with his hands. That is clearly a styles issue. Hatton will come forward the whole time, yes, but he is ****ing reckless with his pressure because he's so open coming in, and after a few rounds of tasting Pacquiao's leather, he will stop being so reckless in his attack, and therefore his pressure will ease. There is no doubt that Pacquiao will be fighting on the backfoot, but you're vastly overstating how ineffective Pac is when under attack. He seemed a bit helpless in the first Morales fight in this regard, but look at the improvement in the second and third fights. Morales was always similar to Hatton in the area I mentioned before (not similar style-wise at all, but they both do this), he would often come forward hard and leave himself wide open. Pacquiao made him pay in both rematches when he chose to do this, countering with hard shots with both hands.

    Just look at the first knockdown in the third fight, Morales is pressuring Pacquiao back and throwing leather with Pac against the ropes, he backs up, counters with a hard left hand and drops Morales. There are a few times when Pacquiao gets reckless with his countering and tries to flurry without thinking of defense, but he's improved on that since he's moved up in weight, and lost the size advantage that he had over Morales.

    Hatton will come forward like you said, he will get nailed by Pacquiao who has a higher workrate (eg. Pac's 585 punches in 8 rounds vs. Hoya - 73 per round, against Hattons 516 in 11 rounds vs. Malig - 47 per round) and much faster hands, because he is reckless with his forward movement and is far too open to beat a guy like Pacquiao. The only chance I give Hatton is if he can win by stoppage from a bodyshot.
     
  13. san rafael

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    Right... Right... Pacquiao is going to stay locked in the pocket and counter punch Hatton with his amazing locked in the pocket counter punching skills. Sure, bud. Sure. :cool: That's your whole theory. You don't have to say it AGAIN. I get it. Thanks.
     
  14. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    REALSHITTS, HELLO? Floyd didn't say it? FLOYD DIDN'T SAY IT??

    WHAT DID I EDIT, ****? WHAT? LYING *****.
     
  15. Jbuz

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    Oh yes, that's right. Hatton's Armstrong-like pressure will smother Pacquiao and prevent him from getting his shots off. I forgot that his Hagler-esque chin with shake off any shots that happen to get through his Whitaker-like defens. You don't have to say it again, he's a machine, I understand.