Is Joe Calzaghe a H.O.F fighter...and is Cal a legend, an ATG, or great fighter?

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  1. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    Cal is an ATG in my book. Here's why. Posters who have their heroes of today ranked above him are clouded by judgement. These critics attempt to belittle Calzaghe's comp as if it was terrible lol. Calzaghe fought prime opposition IN THEIR ABSOLUTE PRIME. At 168, who didn't he fight with so many defenses? They say that Calzaghe could've fought Roy at 168 or Hop at 168 in their primes. When? These fighters who mention this were not watching boxing during this time. In the beginning Cal had a chance to show us he was the real deal. Cal had a fight on a Tyson ppv undercard I believe, and he fought with an injured hand, and fans weren't sold on Calzaghe after that because he didn't look good. But then again, we were not sold on J.M.M after he lost to Norwood yet, we were not sold on Pac after his fight with Sanchez yet, and we were not sold on Hop after his fight with Segundo Mercado yet either. There are too many fighters/examples in boxing history to bring up who exemplify my point! It takes time for fighters to prove themselves, and Cal did that with me over time.

    During that time Cal was at 168 and proving himself...we were watching Jones, Toney, the middleweights, and even before that, Benn and Eubank...Lindell Holmes and others. Cal has fought nothing but good, tough fighters, and unfortunately he had no peers at or around his weight that he could've been matched with like Leonard, Hearns, Hagler, and Duran. Those guys were lucky. The big guns never took hims serious because 168 was considered an unpopular division. You don't penalize fighters for who you think he could've faced, or who you think could've beaten him because Cal avoided no one. One poster tried to dis Cal's comp, and then proceeded to dis the comp of the fighters Cal fought!:dead Assinility at it's finest...assinility lol. Cal legitimized the WBO title with his number of defenses.

    Anyway, I want to leave some things open to debate about Cal as I don't want to write a super long post, but Cal had the speed, the skill, the jab, the body punching, the heart, the will, and the desire to win. Even though Cal was down in fights, HE WAS NEVER KNOCKED OUT. The is the example of will. the Byron Mitchell fight exemplifies Cal's greatness. He got put down, got up and put Mitchell down who was one of the hardest punchers pfp at that time. Cal's record does not carry him over other greats before him or after, but he is definitely a H.O.F fighter and an all time great fighter in my book. As I said, and I'll say it again because I don't give a $#*&!@# what anyone says...Cal is the greatest Caucasian fighter I saw fight in my lifetime, and one of the greatest FIGHTERS ever imo!
    1. Legend
    2. Atg
    3. Great

    A legend is what Sugar Leonard is
    A legend is what Duran is
    I do not consider Hagler or Monzon legends, but all time greats.
    Ali is a legend
    Cal is not a legend.
    Hop is not a legend... Nor are Jones, Toney, Shane, J.M.M, Pac, Barrera, or Morales. I could go on and on for days. Catch my drift? You mention a fighter to me, and I can list them in my 3 ranking system. The title of "legend" belongs to the absolute very best who took fights with guys that they weren't supposed to beat and won, or did something so special that you had no choice but to call them a legend. Those spots are reserved. This is not a knock to any fighter by "not" calling them a legend.

    I rank fighters in the order of:
    1. Legend-Ali
    2. All time great-Chavez
    3. Great-Hearns

    My final say/ranking of Cal is that I list him as an all time great who had the potential to beat anyone around his weight.
     
  2. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    He is definitely inide the 80 best fighters Ring mag has listed in the past. I'm going to give him time before I rank him. He might come back lol.
     
  3. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    :good
     
  4. kadyo

    kadyo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Put up a poll and let's see how peeps would vote.
     
  5. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hi Amsterdam, nice to read that your head is still shoved way up Calzaghe's arse. :rofl
     
  6. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    Calzaghe has earned himself a big '?' in my book. No ranking. If the two best things he did was get the split decision against Hopkins and beat Kessler that is not even "great" on the scale. He's absolutely not an ATG or legend - although he does deserve special place in his national history. He could have fought some better guys, then and now, and even lost a few times and come back and still be great as far as I'm concerned, but he never put himself out there enough to earn that label or show what he was truly made of against the best at their peak. That's not to say he couldn't have been, he just didn't, so he isn't.
     
  7. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe's legacy = a gigantic question mark ???????????? past his prime eubank, never was Lacy, past his prime B-Hop (who many thought he lost to), wayyyyyy past his prime Roy (who basically everyone on earth agrees would have whupped Calzaghe in his prime). The only fight he can really take credit for is Kessler but then again who has Kessler ever beaten? No one....Kessler could turn out to be a never was for all we know and Kessler has fought nothing but sub par competiton before and after Calzaghe so basically he lost against his only good competition and gets unfairly hyped, the guy might not actually be that good for all we know, we'll see when he fights someone with a pulse if that ever happens. I'll give it up to Calzaghe though his skill set is amazing and he's a very good fighter but we'll never know how he feared against a top level fighter in his prime so the sad thing is his legacy will always be in question and he'll have a hard time cracking a top 100 ATG list with the lack of that credential.
     
  8. Warfist

    Warfist Active Member Full Member

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    I'd say he's none of the above atm. He's a "very good" fighter imo.
     
  9. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    calzaghe in the ring top 100 all time lists will rise and rise as the years go by .
     
  10. Brickhaus

    Brickhaus Packs the house Full Member

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    I have a tough time rating Calzaghe far ahead of someone like Michalczewski, who also made a ton of defenses without fighting too many big names, and who was undefeated until the very end of his career when he was clearly no longer the same fighter. Difference is that Tiger faced quite a few more dangerous fighters than Calzaghe while sitting at the top, although Calzaghe's best win (Hopkins) is probably better than Tiger's best win (Hill).
     
  11. tolindoy

    tolindoy UBESTRIDTE MESTER Full Member

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    JC around the boarderline of top 100 ATG.....between 100 or 101..
     
  12. tolindoy

    tolindoy UBESTRIDTE MESTER Full Member

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    HOF...YES! ATG or LEGEND.....NO!!!
     
  13. gregor

    gregor Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So JC is ATG, yet Hearns is not... I wonder what criteria did you use (certainly not achievements), but anyway I rest my case.
     
  14. ninebar

    ninebar Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HOF Probably, lesser fighters are in there, but top 100 is very debatable.
     
  15. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Lock for first Ballot HOF

    Lock for lower end of Top 100 ATG.

    That will do.