Is Joe Calzaghe REALLY an ATG?

No

 

He is not in the top 100 IMO

Top 5 Brits- Lennox Lewis
Jackie Berg
Jimmy Wilde
Ken Buchanan
Ted Lewis

I would have Joe at No 6

 

imo yea,id say between 50-100 although ive not given it much thought tbh

 

And if Hatton beats Manny I would place him above Joe

 

id agree with that

 

76-100 seems fair.

Difficult to justify much higher than that on resume. And I think resume has to count for 80% in these discussions.

 

HOF not ATG.

Really, think of all the amazing fighters that have stepped into the ring since Jimmy Figg in 1734. How can anyone even consider putting Calzaghe anywhere near the top 100?

And thats coming from a British Optimist!

 

H2H makes up much of Jones Jr's placing - although I understand your point.

 

Serious consideration should be given if Hatton beat's Pacquiao because Pacquiao is P4P no1, A possible top 50 ATG, and more importantly in his Prime.

 

When your talking ATG the "0" means very little to me.... Its who you beat and how you beat them that counts

For example SRR lost something like 18 fights.. does that mean Joe is better... no way

Joe saving grace is his longevity but i can think of a long list of British boxers who have better wins on there resume

Like Randy Turpin for example

 

What is Jones's placing? I don't have him as high as some, but his resume is better than Calzaghe's regardless. H2H might boost him a little further, to around 50 I would think is sensible.

Placing too much emphasis on H2H gets silly, we are then in the world of complete subjectivity.

 

As I said - I agree completely, but Jones best wins are Toney/Hopkins really, Ruiz is awful - and lost to two former MW's - although Jones win WAS impressive.

However - it's not all that much better - name for name, I'd argue it was the multiweight that's more impressive than the names.