Willie Limond turns to promoting; Shoots for the WBU world title

yeh too many ass kissers on here. im seriously pissed of about it. in a month im gonna start a thread about a simular level figther that doesnt post on here fighting for the WBU and see how much **** they get. infact theres people giving willie grief at the beggining but as soon as he enters the thread they all keep there mouths shut. im seriously considering moving to a different forum.

even dunky the biggest scottish hugger had a go.

 

the title should not even exist, the board should nto sanction the fight. look at the guy hes fighting, hes an african bum

 

Rob, I seriously think that some people get 'blinded' by the hollywood aspect of this particular forum, we got top level boxers posting here now who have won serious titles, & then you have Steve Bunce posting too, a top boxing analyst with his own TV show! We got some pretty impressive people from the boxing world posting here, & I simply think some posters get blinded by the fact they can talk to big hitters, both inside & outside of the ring, & get all shy & starstruck & forget that this is in fact a boxing discussion forum!

Rob is right though, the minute people here start patting fighters on the back for taking WBU title fights, thats the minute we should ALL start packing our bags & never mind moving to another forum, move to another sport altogether:deal

Dont get me wrong, I am on record as being a. the biggest scottish nuthugger of all time, & I have cheered on Wullie his whole carrer. & the thing is, the WBU title will do Wullie wonders, & he knows it! Bums on seats, world title fight etc, strong undercards, it could galvanize scottish boxing once again, after Scotty went off the rails.

So I can see the benefits of Limond promoting & fighting under the guise of a 'world champion' & having strong undercards with 12 rounders, like Kev McIntyre relishes.
Its only going to be good for scottish boxing having Limond parading & defending a WBU title, & thats the truth.
Why? Cos boxing isnt a popular sport in Scotland anymore, & most fans have next to no knowledge about the sport, & especially the ABC belts going around. When they hear world title fight' they think proper world title fight! & will turn up to see the popular peoples man, Willie Limond!

However, having Billy Nelson on here saying we should all bow down & accept the WBU as a 'legit' world title, & seeing him in the scottish press peddling the WBU as a 'proper' world title grinds my gears.
I dont mind Limond fighting for & defending a WBU title if it lifts the profile of boxing in Scotland, which is at rock bottom just now.

However, to have his trainer Billy Nelson come on here telling us all we should all bow down & respect the WBU, & to be telling the scottish media that this is a proper world title fight? It sticks in my throat.

The only certainty on british ESB is tht the WBU title isnt taken seriously. For Billy Nelson to join up & tell everyone here that they should embrace WBU title fights cos hes getting publicity out of it?

Very arrogant & self serving to say the least.

Sorry folks, but I wouldnt be me if I didnt tell it like it is. Rob is entirely justified to call the WBU for what it is. I can see both sides of the argument, but as a pure boxing fan I side with Rob when he says the WBU is a joke title. Always has been, always will be.

& the saddest thing about this whole WBU debate is that I think Limond is better than WBU, im sure if he got the right fight at the right time he could bring a proper world title home to Scotland.
Put it this way, no-one ever speaks about Lawrence Murphy, a former scottish WBU world champion from yesteryear, do they?

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Lawrence murphy is now managing some laddie,and he used to be the WBU world champion.

Very balanced post there dunky ,you hit the nail on the head when you said its all about bums on seats.

 

dunky. you single handedly stopped be from leaving the forum. cheers mate.

billy nelsons comment our disgraceful. TFFP, Beetson, Debacal.............i wont look at you guys the same again. i hope you enjoyed having willie limmond knob in ya mouths.

 

rob and dunky i know your boxing intellect is very very low,but so obviously is your reading abilitiy i havnt even mentioed the WBU.why cant you lads write some positives re boxing and boxers,its all negetive.maybe if you were in willies boots you may see things from a diffrent prespective.atsch

 

listen up, don't ever come on here and question my boxing intelect. everyone is alowed there opinion, thats what a forum is for. i got a degree in economics too pal so people on here questioning why i dont understand the money side need to fix that up to.

"you should all be praising willie for putting his money were his mouth is,hes been in the top 4 lightweights since he fought khan so he more than deserves this chance to establish himself"

this is the comment were refering to. willie deserves praise for stepping in the ring, and risking his life, thats all, the wbu is worthless and prooves nothing. hes fighting some african bum. willie keeps saying if he fights someone lower in the rankings he will not go higher, maybe that true, but if there younger lightweights fighting guys in the top 10 they will jump ahead of him. and if willies been in the top 4 how did Lee McAllister become mandatory for Murray? surley Willie would have been?


if your fighter is going to become a promoter he better be prepared to have boxing fans like me slate him.

if willie was in my boots he might see differently. i say plenty of posative things about boxers and boxing, infact im one of the less negative people on here.

the WBU is a pile of crap. this is the guy willie is fighting

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yeh nice one guys thats going to push your career on. If Khan has fought this guy in his 2nd fight people would have gone nuts. the guy hasnt has 10 fights and is a bantamweight. your really giving them there moneys worth.

 

You have a degree in ecenomics?

 

Promoting the hell out of the "World" in WBU to con the average guy in the street into believing it's the real thing is wrong. Saying you're the best in the world because you won the WBU is wrong too, because it's conning the average guy in the street again. If Willie did that, it would be wrong. I'm not sure he's doing that, though, rob. Don't know anything about his opponent. If he's not in any way better than what Willie could get without the WBU on the line, in an 8 or a 10 rounder, and if he's not more motivated because he's fighting for the WBU rather than for nothing, then, yeah, it's just a way for Willie to make a bit of extra cash. But that wouldn't be wrong unless he was ACTIVELY, AGGRESSIVELY conning the public into believing the WBU was the real thing, and that he'd be a bona fide world champion for having won it. Again, from what I've read in this thread, it doesn't seem like he's doing that at all. There's a guy called Maccarinelli who's fighting a guy called Afolabi for a vacant bona fide world title - the WBO. Not sure what the Afolabi fellow's done to get a world title shot, but there we go. He's only fought 13 times, and only one 10 rounder. More than half of the guys he fought had only a few fights to their name. I admit I've never seen him fight and that I'm just boxrecing it. Still, this is promoted as a bona fide WORLD TITLE fight and the Maccarinelli fellow will say he's a world champion again for having won it - he'll be looking to "unify" with it. Unlike Willie, he's making a mint for this fight too, and unlike Willie, he's already minted. Yet, Willie is the evil that corrupts boxing, right? So, rob, again, I think some perspective would be nice to have here.

As to people sucking up to Willie because he posts here, I don't think that's the case. We're more diplomatic when we talk about him because he posts here, and we're a bit more positive, but that's about it. Of course, some of us genuinely like the guy for the kind of person he is, and for his pluck against Khan, whom we all wanted brought down to earth a bit. I don't think anyone would make a fuss about any other domestic/euro level fighter fighting for some bogus world title either, unless they were making a mint through it, because they had a bigtime promoter who was milking the whole "world title" thing - like Warren does with some of his lesser fighters, for example - e.g. see Derry Matthews and the WBU.

No point in repeating again the points I made about before; they never convinced you, so I'll stop here. I don't think I've got double standards here at all, but some people will disagree with me here. In my view, what's "destroying the sport" is fighters who are hyped to the heavens by their promoters and Barry McGuigan types, who are protected from proper challengers and mandatories outside the ring and by corrupt refs and judges inside the ring, making a mint throughout by conning the fans with their bogus world titles, picking and choosing soft/past-it NAME opponents as far as possible. Is Willie doing anything like that? No. So the whole discussion is pointless and unfair/insulting to Willie, imo.

 

This fellow is very, very bad. Not sure why Willie would want to fight him at all. I have to confess I'm more than a bit dissapointed. If I was fighting this guy, I'd keep shtoom about it, and would certainly not want to fight him for any title at all. Say it ain't true, Willie! This is not the kind of fight that is good for boxing. :deal

 

no real need for this - its clearly just 2 different perspectives. rob is looking at it from a boxing purists angle which he is entitled to do. yet obviously when willie himself comes in to the debate you understand that he is looking at it from a personal, career, and livelihood perspective. noone can deny that fighting for the WBU will probably increase willie's exposure and £'s.
im afraid its just one of those things that you get in most sports these days where what is good for the sportsman isnt necessarily good for the sport. its tantamount to the old football argument of a player moving clubs to double his wages - it is not 1 footballer's, or 1 boxer's responsibility to crusade against the whole sport. if willie didnt do it, someone else would. as lovers of the sport we may not like it but we must appreciate and understand why willie does it. the real pressure should be put on the sanctioning bodies themselves.

 

I'd say a fight against Mutampuka would hurt Willie's reputation amongst the more knowledgeable fans, especially with a title on the line. Might make Willie a bit of money, might not, but this is not a good fight for boxing, that's for sure.

 

oh willie is building him up all right

Limond said: “It's hard to get footage of Mutampuka. We haven't been able to find any so far but I'm expecting a tough fight from a strong, durable opponent and that's what I've been preparing for.”

didnt you see decebal this is the main reason i am so pissed off. ive been telling willie just to fight a guy in the birtish top 10. this is the sort of opponent the WBU title brings, this guy is not in the top 300 at bantamweight. the guys been stopped everytime he fought someone with a winning record.

what are you gonna do willie if you hit this guy twice and he falls over, the the crowd starts booing?

by the way Macceranelli is fighting for the WBO interim title, not the full belt, basicly a final eliminator.

 

now rob, i understand some of your comments, but some are a wee bit personal now, thats not the guys full record, hes had 18 fights 2 draws 2 defeats, iv fought at super bantam as well when i 1st started, now im prepared to take the criticism but who ever gives it must be willing to take it back, but the **** in peoples mouth one was a bit low, you said if you were in a room with me you would tell me the same thing, but if you said that to me we would be having a totaly different conversation, theres a lot i want to say right now but al keep my mouth shut, and to call any boxer a bum is ****ing shocking, in my opinion you dont get bad boxers just some are better than others, what do you do for a living?

 

Rob

Read my name - it is not Beetson atsch

Furthermore, to call me an ass kisser is pretty shocking.

I concurred with you about Limond ripping people off, but when he explained to me the situation and also the cost of the tickets, I decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. As I am sure you are aware, having lived in Derby for a spell - the northern male isn't inclined to ass kiss anybody - if I thought he was a twat I would quite openly say so in a discussion forum..... afterall he is hardly right in front of me wearing knuckle dusters and surrounded by 12 of his friends.