How can 3 men of that stature be so wrong?

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  1. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dont agree with Lewis but Buchanan, Wilde and Ted 'Kid' Lewis are definately 3 of my best British fighters ever ..
     
  2. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tyson was shot in that fight, he never landed anything .. He might have looked interested but my guess is that even before the first bell he knew what was coming .. 2002 was at least 7-8 years past Tyson looking like anything like a fighter of any note .. The last shards of Tyson as a fighter were blown apart by Holyfield in '96, after then he was done ..
    Jones proved to be fairly dangerous for the first few rounds against Joe but then realised that 'survival' mode was the best choice ..
    Jones and Tyson were both shadows of what they were in they're invincible best but the Tyson who fought Lewis was akin to the Joe Louis that fought Marciano, a sad shell of a once great fighter, only there because his name was needed in the division ..
     
  3. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    Wilde and Lewis, in my opinion, belong on a different list because they basically fought in a different sport. Not sure how you can have a top five British list, in terms of achievement, that includes Buchanan but not Lewis. What criteria are you using?
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Some people don't consider Lewis British, perhaps this is another example.
     

  5. I think most consider him English.... I mean if you emmigrated to Canada at the age of 12/13 would you stop thinking your English and become Canadian ?
     
  6. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I'd consider myself British yes.

    It is another stick to bash Lewis with I guess.
     
  7. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think it's that.

    Maybe some people just think Lewis is very overrated on here including myself. I respect his acheivements but sometimes I don't understand the fuss over him I must be missing something.

    In your opinion what are Lewis' top 5 victories?
     

  8. do you rate Calzaghe's record over Lewis's ?
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Pfft in no particular order...........

    Holyfield I - I know it was a draw but his performance was exceptional
    Ruddock
    Rahman II
    Briggs
    Tua
    Holyfield II
    Golota

    I have had a few too many sherbets so cannot be relied upon fully. For me he is outstanding because there were no pretenders. Golota and Grant were destroyed within a matter of a few seconds.

    The Tyson win is a deliberate omission, for obvious reasons.

    Hatton is closer to Calzaghe, than Calzaghe is to Lewis.
     
  10. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I consider Buchanan's performance against Ismael Laguna in 1970 away in Puerto Rico, one of the greatest performances of all time from a British fighter .. I also consider Buchanan's efforts against Duran, a guy that many people have in they're top 10 p4p of all time, a great performance ..
    Now lets look at Lennox Lewis. He gets stopped by 2 very average fighters in McCall and Rahman, and he beats a shot Tyson and a weathered Holyfield. Yeah he also beats fairly average fighters in Tua, Golota and Briggs but thats it ..

    For the people who rate Lewis ahead of Frazier in the all time Heavy list, who did Lennox beat that remotely resembled Ali and a prime Foreman ??
    Lennox was a great fighter like Naz but at the end of the day, who did they actually beat of any true calibre .. nobody ..

    I do give Lennox credit for beating Vitali on 10 days notice but to be quite honest both Klitschko's would have been fodder for the best heavy's. Too upright, too obvious and zero movement ..
     
  11. Axl_Nose

    Axl_Nose Well-Known Member Full Member

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    And Dan-B, it really wasnt a different sport .. Boxing doesnt evolve like other sports .. After Ali, Boxing was a 'big money' sport but it was far tougher when Wilde was active .. Your right you cant compare Jimmy Wilde to Lewis .. Lewis aint fit to clean Jimmy's Jockstrap !!
     
  12. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    By that do you mean his resume?

    Lewis' resume on the whole is probably better but he also lost twice to average fighters which has to be taken into account. Calzaghe has never looked like losing, 2 split decisions in 46 fights, the rest were never in doubt.

    Overall I rate Calzaghe as the better fighter. He was way more adaptable than Lewis, always found a way to win the fight depending on the opponent and how the fight was going and had to fight one-handed at times because of his ****ed up hand.
     


  13. What you talking about ??? Frazier got demolished by Foreman.

    The reason ppl rate Lewis is because of the way he dominated a very strong HW division, the strongest only 2nd to the 70's

    Holyfield, Galota, Akinwande, Briggs, Mercer, Ruddock, Vitali, Bruno, Tua, Tyson, Grant is a very deep resume
     

  14. Yes but Lewis was in the HW and I don't care what you say... If you get hit by a 16-20 stone guy on the button youre going down.... Ali lost 5 times Joe Louis 3 Times.... so what ???? the "0" means nothing to me, other wise Rocky Marciano would be the Best HW of all time which isn't true
     
  15. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can't include Tyson because he was completely shot. Same reasons as to why you can't include Jones on Cazaghe's resume.

    Akinwande :lol:

    Out of that list, a past it Evander Holyfield is his best win closely followed by Ruddock and look at the physical advantages Lewis had against Evander and in the second fight he was pushed very close.

    It's too late to argue for me but come on his resume really isn't that good.