Marciano in the Joe Louis era?

Charles had beaten Satterfield and Wallace ,but he had also lost his two fights before that to Harold Johnson a LH ,and Nino Valdes.I dont accept that either Walcott or Charles were in their prime when they fought Marciano.

 

Joe Louis trained hard for Marciano in 1951, but Louis was still faded and slowed a great deal by fight night at age 37.... Joe Louis gave it his best in 1951, but it just wasn't enough..... What a difference 10 yrs can make.... Rocky Marciano would be game but he'd be hammered and stopped by a 1941 version of Joe Louis in a time machine..... Joe Louis still had his power after WW2, but his hand speed and reflexes had gone south by 1947..... After age 33, Joe Louis began to slide downward rather fast.......

MR.BILL

 

Quote me where i said he did it twice?

 

In your very first comment on this particular thread.

 

And I felt Charles was robbed vs Johnson imo.

 

The fact is Goldman sent Marciano out telling him he had to KO CHARLES OR THERE WAS A VERY REAL DANGER THE FIGHT WOULD BE STOPPED .Its not the fact that Marciano was in front ,no one disputes that.No MYTH ,read Marciano's biography.ps He was also in danger of being stopped on cuts against Keene Simmons.

 

NOTE THE WORD TWICE. [How dare they challenge me with their crude skills?]atsch

 

Baer lost to the swarming Uzcudun. Max was wide open. I see him getting bashed by Marciano with probable stoppage from facial damage.

 

Louis' poor performance against Godoy in 1940 opens the door concerning Marciano. Louis always had trouble with men who fought out of a crouch. It is just hard to say.

 

Baer was winning the Uzcudon fight but wilted late on in the July ,Reno heat ,remember it was over 20rds.

 

"He was also in danger of being stopped on cuts against Keene Simmons."

I read the LIFE MAGAZINE spread on this fight and the pictures really didn't show that dangerous a cut. It was under control and to the outside of the eye. There is only a slight trickle of blood down the cheek.

LIFE quotes Goldman "I was never worried. Rocky is a bulldog."

Of course, it might have looked more dangerous earlier. Who knows now?
This is the way LIFE describes this fight:

"But Rocky got hurt early and Charley worked feverishly to stop the flow of blood from his left eye. He told Rocky to slip away from punches and try to avoid trouble. By the fifth round, Rocky had his punch and breath back again. In the eighth, with Simmons helpless, the referee stopped the fight."

I think this fight came right after Marciano got married, perhaps an odd time to have a fight, especially with the mores of that era.

This is the article which carries a gruesome photo of a Marciano right distorting Simmons' face so badly that his eye appears to be outside his ear.

 

That was an off night for Louis...... Louis had no problem with Art Godoy in the summer rematch of '40....

MR.BILL:good

 

It was over 20 rounds and hot for both of them, plus Uzcudun was ten years older. The fact is that Uzcudun is the closest opponent to Marciano whom Baer fought and Baer's stamina against Marciano in the late rounds might be an issue.

 

I don't think Godoy had one-punch KO power. He was an ordinary puncher. Marciano's overhand right out of the crouch certainly brings something more to the table.

 

I agree, he can't last that long. He would be a little man fighting bigger men on the average, unlike Louis who probably had a weight pull about 80% of his fights.