Marciano in the Joe Louis era?

Mad Max Baer was a sloppy but powerful fighter....... Baer's defense was poor and his punches were telegraphed...... Powerful guys like Baer from the past or Ray Mercer from the modern day era can easily be outboxed by a smooth boxer who has skill and is in condition.... Brains normally beat-out brawn........ Cheers.....

MR.BILL

 

Well, sure...... Marciano always had a puncher's chance......:shock:

MR.BILL:bbb

 

And it is at least possible he has a better chin and perhaps even a better defense. Everyone knew you could hit Louis with an overhand right. What punch could you be certain of hitting Marciano with? Don't say a jab because Marciano slipped jabs very well.

I like Louis because of size, but I wouldn't put a great deal of money out on this one.

 

I think Rocky Marciano can last the 12 years perhaps if he takes the Jack Dempsey rule book of reining as champ.

Apound winning the title make a few quick defenses so the people can "Think" you can be a busy champ. Than after that, defend your title against soft touchs like Johnny Paycheck for the rest of your rein, lets not forget to take a 3 or 4 year break in between 1 or 2 title defenses. Dont worry about that scary number 1 rank contender. he age, he cant stay young forever, before some young contender takes him out. Than if your smart, you can retire unbeating.

 

Well he sure didn't have any trouble with Godoy in the return match ,he opened his face up like a can of peas.
Blackburn drilled Louis incessantly after the first Godoy fight making him throw uppercuts with either hand .

 

"Referee Sharkey Buonnano told me later he could have stopped the fight anytime after the second round,He didnt want to because Rocky was undefeated and a big attraction in Providence.He didnt want to stop it unless it was absolutely necessary."
"Rocky returned to his corner, after the seventh round a doctor examined his eye.Rocky appeared to be pleading to allow the fight to continue.When the bell rang he ran across the ring after Simmons".

" In his own mind Rocky knew that the fight could not go another round"

 

Why should Baer's stamina be an issue he twice went 20rds to a dec ,something Marciano NEVER DID?You talk about MarciANO'S OVERHAND RIGHT ,HOW ABOUT BAER'S?
Baer had a better chin than Rocky and probably better one punch power.

 

Marciano walks through everyone except louis . Too much power, stamina, and determination for any of the rest.

 

LIFE had a different take. The pictures they had made it seem to me it would have been strange to stop the fight. The cut was outside the eyelid and draining slowly down the cheek. I think it is posted on the New York Daily News Picture section.

"In his own mind Rocky knew"

It is interesting reading the thoughts of a man who had been dead for several years. Skehan did not footnote in my copy of his biography. I can't say without looking at a film, but LIFE and the AP never mentioned this likely stoppage while these reports are from recollections of a generation later.

 

If Marciano were the opponent, could Louis afford to drop his hands for uppercuts? Marciano just had a lot more offensive kick than Godoy.

If Marciano were in Louis' era, he would probably have a lot more experience at a younger age. With the WWII delay, Marciano didn't really get started on his pro career until he was almost 25. He was probably slipping a bit physically at about the time he was gaining needed experience.

 

Yes, but Baer is 6' 3" or so. He might a tough time catching a shorter man fighting out of a crouch with an overhand right. On the other hand, he would be right there for Marciano.

Baer had better one-punch power--Name top men that Baer put down for the count. Marciano put Walcott, Charles, Moore, Layne, and Matthews down for the count, and reasonably Louis would not have beaten the count. I think you will notice that most of Baer's fights against name opponents were stopped by the referee. Not all of them, but more than Marciano's.

My point about Baer is that he didn't beat the man who was most like Marciano, Uzcudun, that he fought. You brought up that he faded against an older, smaller Uzcudun after fifteen. Baer also faded badly againt Nova twice in the later rounds.

It is wild speculation that Baer has a better chin. He certainly was not as defensively adroit. By the way, I don't think Baer was in there against more big punchers than Marciano. The one who obviously was, the young Louis, knocked him out in four.

 

this is one fight i would love to see...prime for prime, i do not think rocky can beat max schmelling with a single punch

 

Baer had a better punch and chin than Marciano? How the

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MR.BILL

 

No doubt Marciano would have been Louis's most dangerous challenger.
I think a prime Louis would have had the hand speed and reactions to get away with uppercuts against Rocky. The shot Louis who Marciano beat was caught with several big left hooks as well as Suzie Q's .In that fight Louis relied on the occasional hook and the remnants of his jab ,he threw only a couple of rights and those without conviction.

 

I think many would agree ,you act as though it is beyond the realms of possibility.Louis said Baer had a terrific chin ,Braddock said Baer was a bigger puncher than Louis