Fight fans, many of you feel Pac is the best pfp fighter in the world pfp. So I ask..

He could have fought JMM at 135 after JMM's win over Casamayor, then given Campbell for undisputed should he have won that fight.

I can't think of many notable guys he could be accused of side stepping - I mean JMM comes up a lot, but fark, the guy has spent 24 rounds in a ring with the guy and dropped him 4 times, while I thoroughly understand those who view JMM as being robbed - Manny has a right to feel robbed after the first fight SHOULD have been a narrow victory for him had the judge scored the first round 10-6 like the other two.

But really - To knock his comp at any 135 to me is lessened in that he's taking on Hatton at Hatton's best weight, that just again shows he's got pound for pound balls.

 

Avenging losses are overrated anyways. Sometimes, you just have to move on and not give a f*ck what anybody has to say. Case in point: Manny Pacquiao

 

Personally I can not blame Pac for not rematching Singsurat. He struggled
with making the weight the first fight already. At age 20 Pacquiao was still
growing into a healthy manly weight after malnutrition in his childhood kept
him small. Countering that growth by trying to stay at 112 to rematch
Singsurat would have been highly counter productive for his development.


I do criticize Pacquiao for being careless and lacking focus early on in his
career, for fighting a clearly shot Morales a third time after Morales looked
like fading in the second fight already,for fighting a shot Barrera in the 2007
fight,for not giving JMM the rematch he deserves after the second bout and
for not trying to unify the 130 division.


That being said he had his reasons for these points of criticism:

*Carelessness : Age.
*Fighting shot fighters : They still were big names and fights.
*Not fighting JMM a third time : He did it 2 times already although I hope this
fight will still take place.
*Not unifying 130: De La Hoya was a huge fight for Pac.


All in all? I don't like the aforementioned much, but I don't really hold it
againsts Pacquiao, nobody is perfect.Whoever is on top will be in the line of
fire, all great champions had their share of critisism it's only natural.

I don't feel the need to put Pac down OR declare him god's gift to boxing. For
me his fighting style and his attitude make him great fighter. And at the
moment? Yes i DO think he is the P4P #1 in the world, despite the criticism.

 

I agree with you cept some things, the shot fighters. Yes there was no need for a Barrera Rematch. But Barrera was the one who kept pushing it. If Pac didn't accept it probably someone out there will call Pac's win a fluke or because of his so called "Forrest fire" was on the way on his training camp.

Morales won the first, Morales agreed on a rematch and Pac won it. So it's 1-1. Of course there would be a trilogy to see who really won that much. It's just plain common sense. Past it or not. The rematch must happen. Why don't people still get it why Pac has to fight Morales 3 times? AND all of them telling he just want to feast on Morales because he is called "past prime".

Yes they were some still names back then, but those weren't enough to give Pac a lot on his resume. He fought the undefeated Solis and gave him the only lost till today. He fought the now Featherweight Champion Oscar Larios, He fought the top contender H.Velazquez. And those names were clearly atop those days rather than today's Soto and Guzman. Common sense?

People always blame Pac fighting those fighters. Why don't they blame the other fighters for not coming in the fight 100% as Pac always did. Why don't they blame the other fighters wanting to Pac fight as Pac wants to fight the best names of that division. Why not blame the other fighters for wanting Pac more than Pac wanted them?

I see your not the hater type we all know. BUT to all haters out there who always tries to find anything they can throw at Pac.


Keep trying next time.

 

When Pac lost to Torrecampo, he was still a nobody and I think he had any say on who he should fight next. 2nd loss just can't be avenged as has been posted by another earlier.

Let me just remind you again that the Diaz fight was a feeling out, tune-up fight as Pac as it's his 1st fight at 135. Pac couldn't fight Campbell as his first priority early fall was to defend his belt where he eventually got shafted by Guzman, JMM and Casa also agreed to fight. That left only Valero or Soto and Pac was set to fight one of them until Cotto lost and Oscar got cold feet at the thought of fighting Margo, at that time.

You may disagree but also at that time most people, as did I, considered Oscar to be the biggest threat because of his size. Some even went as far as calling it a circus. That fight posed the biggest risk/challenge with the most reward. You can't blame Pacquiao for taking on the fight. He was a 2-1 underdog. I believe that he would have been favored if he had taken on Soto, Valero, Campbell, Guzman, Casa or even JMM during that time.

Hopefully when he beat the genetically more intelligent person this May and the superior bred athlete later this year you will finally give up this belief of yours.

 

Pac ain't perfect, he ain't superman. But what Nallege criticizing about Pac is not a valid one.

He could have fought Campbell, But Campbell was already a match with Guzman. The only lightweight titlist available at that time was D. Diaz and its easy for him to match because they're on the same promoter.

He could have fought Casamayor but he was still busy at that time also. And was probably ending up for Marquez.

 

I agree with you that Pac-Barrera 2 and Pac-Morales 3 are not the reason
why Pac is P4P #1 today and i never said they were. I do however think
there were better fights out there for Pac at the time.

Anyway as I said, I do not blame Pac for not ALWAYS fighting the best
opponents out there, nor do I really blame him for any of the points of
criticism I raised. However they still are criticism. Every man or woman at
the very top in his or her field can expect criticism I don't think that is
unhealthy, unless that criticism becomes blind hate.

 

I agree :good

 

i think that time he was really killing himself to make that weight that's why he skipped 115 & 118 and went up straight to 122.

 

I look at achievement, I look at how the fighter advances in his time - Did Bernard Hopkins beat Jermain Taylor? Or if we're talking early career - Clinton Mitchell? Refusing to take 60-40 to fight Jones Jnr a second time before Trinidad?

Is Alexis Arguello less great cause he lost a second fight to Miguel Espinoza when he had trouble maintaining his weight? Or Cachorro Amaya stopping him in his first fight?

Did you pick Manny to beat Barerra the first time around? Or after loosing a tight battle to Morales coming back to stop him twice counts as nothing?

Dude - Your hatred is so blindly obvious that it clouds your view - I'm not even that on Manny's nuts - I like the guy a lot, he takes risks and he fights with passion and seems to be a nice bloke, but your motives can't be sperated from seeming to be either crying out for some troll like attention or just good ol' fashion **** stirring.

I would not be surprised to see his photo on your wall in between your Floyd Mayweather Jnr shrine and your bevy of brown eyed big booty beauties, while you show your mates how many people you **** off.

I mean you call him out for not giving rematches, the guy beats JMM in the second fight, dropping him in the process, and you're still calling him out as ducking JMM?

Ahh eastside, good times, good times.

 

Good times indeed, grin.