The Klitshcko legacy myth - the fanboys theory.......

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  1. Haye

    Haye Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The myth that I refer too is the one that the usual Klitite suspects - ie Ruskull, Window etc, cling too, and applies mostly to Wladimir.

    They harp on that Retrospect will look far kinder on Wladimir's career and indeed the strength of todays HW division when he is gone.

    They reckon/hope that when Wlad has retired, writers and fans will finally realise what a great resume he had, and how superb Peter, Iggy and Thompson really were.:lol: And will duly rank him as an ATG.:rasta

    Their 'evidence'? - Lennox Lewis. They point to the fact that he was underrated throughout his career, and was only given his true props when he was gone. And so clearly, it will be the same with Wladimir.:huh

    Might I point to the fact that; Lewis resume was never questioned, and how could it be. The American writers proclaimed Holyfield, Tyson, Golota, Ruddock and Mercer to be great fighters, (which they were) so when Lewis beat them (and countless others) they had nowhere to run, except to the kitchen to cook humble pie. They didn't want to accept Lewis, but he forced them too, by beating their elites.

    Wlad is different. EVERYBODY knows that the division is ****, terrible, and there are no elite American fighters for people to rate highly. He labours to boring jabfests against basic plodders who have very little elite background or resume themselves. His losses are far more embarrasing, and he has still not become undisputed, and YES it matters.

    If you honestly reckon that todays HW's are comparitively good, then you dont know boxing. People will not look back in ten years and think otherwise, that is pathetic wishful thinking. If Wlad retired today, i doubt his stock would ever rise much, if at all. Talented fighter, very vulnerable, no great wins, and multiple embarrasing losses.
     
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  2. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    ****in' A.
     
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  3. Haye

    Haye Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Iv'e heard that phrase in films, but sadly dont know what the **** it means exactly. Yes? No?
     
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  4. Haye

    Haye Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Firstly:patsch at your Lewis vs Wlad statement.

    Secondly when Peter was knocking people out, boxing fans with a clue said 'here is a crude plodder with great power, maybe he can be dangerous'. He was hardly hyped as the next Tyson, rather a poor mans Tua.
     
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  5. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Wlad will get the respect that he deserves when he is retired.
     
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  6. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man with big hair speak truth !
     
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  7. LoveMuffin

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    My man I agree with most of what you say, only thing i would say is there are no elite fighters in HW division period, not just no elite American fighters.
     
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  8. jisi

    jisi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wladimir is no myth.

    He won olympic gold in 1996 in the superheavyweight division. Only 20 years old.

    2000 WBO Champion (24 years old) - 2003 (5 sucessful defences of the title).

    2006 - today IBF / IBO Champion (6 sucessful defences, 3 mandatories).

    2008 - today WBO Champion (2 sucessful defences, 1 mandatory), unfies the title.
     
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  9. Haye

    Haye Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He gets the respect he deserves now. That of a highly talented, but vulnerable fighter, who is boring and has no great wins.

    You guys think he disrespected because he is not ranked alongside Lewis, Holyfield, Tyson, Holmes etc. He should not be either, at this point at least. He needs to do a lot more, starting with becoming undisputed champion and creating a new lineage.
     
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  10. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Wlad will get the respect that he deserves when he is retired. I never said that he should be ranked alongside the top greats of all time right now. Why the hell would he? He is in the middle of his prime. Why would he be ranked alongside fighters who are retired with a complete body of work?
     
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  11. sofanii

    sofanii Active Member Full Member

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    Soon he will be undisputed.........
    He boxes wonderful, uses his skills and knocks people out! What more do you demand? When Steward was the trainer of Lewis he didn't want Lewis to fight Wlad! According to Steward Wlad was a very talanted and strong boxer who could give Lewis all kind of problems! Finally Lewis fought the elder Klitschko just because they thought that he would surrender after a couple of hard rounds. That fight wasn't as easy as they thought it would be. Lewis was loosing the fight.
    Wladimir Klitschko has all the skills that is needed to become a fantasic boxer, and history will tell us how much he will succeed!
     
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  12. dhralf

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    Maybe a little boring at times but no great wins.:roll:.....the fight with Peter was a great performance and a great win, dont you think?
     
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  13. Boxfan1

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    Haye is going to look really funny trying to eat corn without any teeth.
     
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  14. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Another Klitschko is mediocre, all the heavies suck and I know more than you do thread.
     
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  15. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great post Haye, I agree with your viewpoint on Wlad, the guy is a one-eyed warrior in the land of the blind. I feel his physical capabilities are on par with many of the Heavyweight greats that came before him, it's his lack of mental toughness at the top ranks that makes me think that he's nowhere near such Heavyweight greats like Ali or Louis. As Widdow pointed out earlier in the thread, time will tell how history views Wlad's legacy, but for now their are still many questions that need to be answered when talking about how good Wlad truly is.
     
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