The Klitshcko legacy myth - the fanboys theory.......

Wlad _IS_ already ATG because he unified titles AND he has one of the highest KO ratios ever AND has the most KOs in heavyweight world title fights.

After he beats Haye (= a cruiserweight ATG since he, too, united titles in dominant fashion) and Valuev (= who has one of the most wins against real heavyweight opponents EVER) Wlad will cement his legacy.

There are not many fighters with a similar resumee like Wlad: Lennox is one of them, Larry Holmes, Tyson, Ali and Evan Fields. Everyone else has either boxed mainly tomato cans (Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston) or has not won world titles (Ken Norton), or has less than, letsay, 15 wins against 200+ opponents (Ezzard Charles).

* Wlad has won more world titles than Evander Holyfield.

* Wlad KOed more 200+ opponents in world title fights than Vitali Klitschko and George Foreman and Rocky Marciano COMBINED.

* Wlad has a higher KOratio than Mike Tyson.

If you think that doesn't qualify him as an ATG, you obviously need to recheck your thresholds.

If you want to return to the so called "heavyweight" division of Ali then think about this:
75% of Ali's opponents were BELOW 215 lbs (= basically nowadays' heavyweight limit, since hardly anyone fights below 215 nowadays) while 85% of Wlad's opponents are ABOVE 215 lbs. Such a light "heavyweight" division like that of Ali doesn't exist anymore.

What was the heaviest opponent Ali could KO within 12 rounds in his entire career? Featherfist Alvin Lewis (223). Took him 11 rounds. Wlad's last 10 KOwins have an AVERAGE weight of 240 lbs!

In other words: Wlad's AVERAGE KO-victim is 15-20 lbs heavier than Ali's HEAVIEST KO win.

If you want to return to such cruiser fights like Louis (198 lbs) vs Schmeling (192 lbs) then TELL US RIGHT NOW. Tell us right now or stop bitching about the "sad state of the heavyweight division nowadays".

I for my part prefer real heavyweights fighting real heavyweights, not Ali (212) vs Frazier (209), which with some sauna would be billed as cruiser fight nowadays, anyway.

Name, letsay, FIVE opponents of Lennox whom Wlad clearly couldn't beat. I mean where you WOULD BET YOUR LIFE ON IT, that Wlad loses.

 

excellent post

 

If haye beat klitschko then the division is great and haye is the saviour

if klitschko beat haye, then the division sucks and klitschko is the worst champion ever then we will make up excuses and say klitschko only beat haye because he was a over-blown cruiserweight with no chin

never ever give european fighter credit

 

When has Wlad ever shown a lack of mental toughness?:huh

 

He doesn't, except when he falls (Peter fight)... he doesn't fall like a man.

 

He fell apart against Lamon Brewster, a fight where Brewster got hit with everything but the kitchen sink, and still managed to press on, where Wlad didnt even get hit with 1/10th of what Brewster took, and he melted like a ice cream cone on a summer day, he also couldnt tough it out against Ross "The Boss" Puritty, a guy that has almost as many wins as he does losses now.

 

Isn't it odd that the people who promulgate this view consist almost exclusively of fans of former/future opponents of the Klitschkos?

 

He's just not "ATG tough" based on those facts, Punisher33. Offensively, he can look amazingly impressive against certain opposition. But we will never know if he can survive a fight where he has to take as much as he dishes out.

If I saw him in a spectacular war where he came out on top, I'd change my tune on that. I don't think his chin is that bad; the guy just does not respond well to getting hit. After all the fights he has had, he is just not used to it.

 

1) Brewster didn't hit him even with 1 decent punch. And that's why until this very day this is one of the most freakish KOs in history of boxing. And even what Brewster hit him with was only possible because Wlad was already COLLAPSING.
2) He avenged that loss.
3) By your logic Foreman lacked toughness, since Ali hit him with 1/10 of what Foreman hit Ali with.

Wlad's corner threw the towel. How does that prove Wlad's lack of toughness?

 

Well put, all I want to do is see him in all out war with a big puncher, he had his chance against Peter in 2005, but instead of engaging in war, he chose to clinch 97 times, turn his back to his oppenent at times, as well as panic and fall numerous times. In the end, he did manage to outbox the crude, very green, 25 yearold slugger, in a 3 point victory on all three of the judges scorecards, hardly a dominant performance.

I think Wlad has yet another chance to shut the haters like me and others up, by going in and giving Haye a battle for the ages. I do believe Haye got the balls to go to war with Wlad, but does Wlad have the balls to take the fight to Haye?

 

Brewster did hit Wlad with good punches, even before the so called freakish KO as you put it. Watch the 3rd round again of the fight, Brewster had Wlad rocked by ****ing jab for christ sakes, he had him stunned so much that Ledderman gave Brewster that round on his scorecard, dont take my word for it, watch the fight again. Brewster caught Wlad with decent shots towards the end of the fight, I believe the left hook is what caught him the best.

Wlad's corner threw the towel in because they seen their fighter a punch or two away from being knocked out, their is no way in hell is he lasting threw the rest of the fight.

 

Wladimir Klitschko is cleaning out the HW division, in any era that's ATG worthy to do that.

 

You're an angry little man.

 

So angry, so very very angry.