Lloyd Honeyghan v Donald Curry

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  1. Unforgiven

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    It's a shame this is one of those performances where the winner still doesn't get the credit he deserves.

    The Curry camp were quick to pull out the "weight drained" excuse and that's been attached to the fight ever since.

    Truth is, Honeyghan had a perfect style to beat Curry and he fought his best fight ever. Honeyghan was A LOT better than ever given credit for, even by the British media nevermind the Americans.

    I've watched a lot of Don Curry fights and he was a great fighter but he fought in a very economical and sometimes slow-paced style. He was hittable too. Honeyghan simply outworked him and displayed great movement and terrific handspeed and accuracy. Honeyghan never gave Curry a moment's rest.
     
  2. Flea Man

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    Good analysis. People always say 'Curry was weight drained' but look at him once he moved up to JMW. Still hittable, a little more comfortable, but ended up suffering just as crushing a defeat against Mike McCallum.

    The sad thing is that Honeyghan turned all-out aggressive after this fight, and it cost him in later fights, when he wasn't in great shape. He believed his own hype.

    No doub it was a fantastic victory, probably the best ever by a British fighter, and Honeyghan deserves to be in the top 10 (in my list 7) British fighters of all time. Not just on the back of this victory, he defended his titles a couple of times too!
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    Yeah, I just dont accept "weight drained" as an excuse. Curry was beating guys like Colin Jones and Milton McCrory and building his reputation at welterweight while working hard to get to 147 pounds. The difference was that Honeyghan brought a different style and was not intimidated in the least. Those other guys just didn't have the style or ability to fully exploit the chances Curry gave them.

    True that Honeyghan turned a bit gung-ho after this fight, and his defense eroded, and I know he had hand injuries, but as you say he made a few defences. Maurice Blocker was a very good fighter. Honeyghan was robbed with that Technical Decision loss to Jorge Vaca but scored a crushing win in the rematch. I make NO EXCUSES for his defeat to Marlon Starling - the "magic man" fought a hell of a fight. But everyone could see he was shot in the Breland debacle.

    Not only was Honeyghan one of the greatest British fighters ever, but that whole era of world welterweights (Curry, Starling, Honeyghan, Blocker, Brown etc.) are somewhat overlooked.
     
  4. young griffo

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    It was a good win no doubt but having recently watched Honeyghan's arse whipping by the decent but not brilliant Mark Breland(not to mention his losses to Starling and Pazienza),no way known Lloyd deserves a top 10 all time rating,especially when you consider some of the quality fighters Britain has produced over the years.

    Honeyghan caught a very good but flawed fighter in Curry on the perfect night for him but by any reasonable criteria he didn't do anywhere near enough to warrant such a high ranking amongst the best ever Brit fighters.

    Also Curry performed much better against McCallum (leading on all scorecards until getting caught from memory) than he ever did against Honeyghan,which gives some credence to the "Curry was weight drained" argument.
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    Honeyghan was shot when he faced Breland. And Pazienza.

    Name just 10 British fighters who easily rank above Honeyghan all-time.
     
  6. MRBILL

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    Donald Curry in his prime was light years better than Lloyd Honeyghan............. By '86, Curry was a limp dick at 147 pounds..... However, his team wanted to keep milking the merry-go-round for the money.... Christ, Curry looked great at kayoing Eduardo Rodriguez earlier in 1986 and Lloyd Honeyghan was considered no real threat..... Well, eventually the **** will catch up to a guy / fighter...... By the time the fall of '86 rolled around, Donald Curry had stayed down at 147 too long........ Had team Curry been smart and not so greedy, they would've had Curry move up to 154 at the end of 1985 following his KO over Milton McCrory.... 1986 was the year that basically ruined Donald Curry the fighter...... After that loss to Lloyd Honeyghan, Curry never really ever was the same fighter...... The 1987 KO loss to Mike McCallum was wicked and the '89 loss to Rene Jacquot was horrid....... Those losses were so profiled on Curry's resume / legacy NOBODY even gives a damn or remembers that he beat Giafranco Rosi for the 154 lb. title in 1988...... It was a nothing win..... The final nails that shut the lid on Donald Curry's career were his 1990 / '91 losses to Michael Nunn and Terry Norris..... What happened afterward is all nondescript...... However, bottom line, Donald Curry was a better fighter than Lloyd Honeyghan ever was....... Cheerio.......

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  7. MRBILL

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    Lloyd Honeyghan looked like a rank amateur in his 1989 title loss to Marlon Starling.... And Mark Breland looked like Superman against Honeyghan in their stink fight...... YES! By 1993, Honeyghan was a lamb for the slaughter against Vinny Paz...... Cheerio.....

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  8. JohnThomas1

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    Credit to Lloyd but blind Freddy could see Curry wasn't himself.
     
  9. Mantequilla

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    You only had to look at Curry to see was very weight drained.He had the same drawn dead man look that Ayub Kalule had against Davey Moore and McCallum.Only difference is curry didn't try to make a supreme effort and go out on his shield.

    Honeyghan did have the style to give Curry a decent fight at any time though.
     
  10. Longhhorn71

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    Curry was having a serious management struggle when he fought Lloyd.

    It is the responsibility of the fighter to show up in tip-top mental & physical condtions.

    Lloyd won.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    What was he doing different ?
    People say "he wasn't getting his punches off" but that's bull**** if you watch his fights with McCrory and Jones he just doesn't throw many, and picks his shots superbly but DOES leave gaps. Honeyghan fought an aggressive fight with superb handspeed and accuracy and was a constantly moving slippery target.
    Blind Freddy should be able to see that Honeyghan simply fought a GREAT fight, but Freddy is obviously blinded by the American hype machine.
    Maybe Curry WAS a great fighter, but Honeyghan was a GREATER fighter on that night.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    Bull****.

    That's all excuse making.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Lloyd Honeyghan entered the ring against Starling as a champion so I make NO EXCUSES for his performance in that fight. Starling was a heck of a fighter, and fought a great fight.

    The same goes for Honeyghan v Curry.
    Weight-drained is a bull**** excuse, any objective fan can see Honeyghan for a GREAT FIGHT with no regard for Curry's reputation.

    It's funny how weight-drained becomes a comprehensive excuse when Curry LOSES, but he beat all those other guys at 147 and built his reputation there. Excuses like that are just cheap and pathetic.
     
  14. redrooster

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    I like the way Lloyd took the fight to him. He took command of the fight, caught Donald off guard and pressed him throughout, never giving him a chance to think or rest. I love these kind of fighters.

    Lloyd outlanded him, outworked him on the inside and generally bullied him. It was like watching a man beating on a boy. A skilled boy, but just a boy.


    Powerful hitters like Lloyd, Jackson, Marciano, and Cuevas could do this and come out on top. They know that a boxers skills are of little use once they have been broken down.

    Donald had never faced another man as powerful as prime Lloyd. Certainly, this was no Marlon Starling.

    By the second round, Donald was smarting from those head shots and temporarily lost control of his legs. That's when I knew the fight belonged to Lloyd.

    The butt didnt matter anyways. I think Don was lucky the butt happened because if the bout would have gone on much longer he would have gotten seriously hurt
     
  15. MRBILL

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    Well, I was NEVER a big fan of Curry, so I'm not giving him any extra credit for anything.... However, he was shot from the opening bell on that night in 1986 when he fought Lloyd Honeyghan at 147 pounds....... Christ, it is a known fact that Curry had been struggling with 147 pounds as early as 1983..... Donald Curry ruined himself by straining to make weight for too long.... It had an adverse effect on his body / system..... By 1987, moving up to 154 was honestly too late..... Curry had eroded greatly by the time he got KO'd by Mike McCallum......

    Llyod Honeyghan didn't last long either at 147 pounds...... Hell, he first blew his title to Jorge Vaca in around 1988, but he won it back in a rematch..... But by early 1989, Honeyghan was brutally hammered by Marlon Starling on HBO, and that was basically the ending for Honeyghan..... Lloyd Honeyghan never amounted to jack **** in the '90s... Lloyd Honeyghan was only like 31 or 32 yrs old when he was wasted by Vinnie Paz, but he fought like he was 50........ Cheerio.....

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