Pipino vs Pernell

B-Level WW, But was the hardest punching Welterweight in history, Bar-None.
Who happens to hold the Welterweight record for most consecutive title defense victories by knockout. ten.
Considering all of the other great Welterweights in history, thats not too shabby!

 

Hearns for me.

 

Hearns had full extension & nailed Cuevas on the chin, yet Cuevas beat the count. Duran was hit simularily, but i'm not too sure if he beat the count? Fight is listed as a TKO. Anybody recall if Duran beat the count or not?

 

Buddy's right hand was doing the business, not the left hook. He could hardly throw his left hook from the very get go, let alone land it.

Whitaker was great at neutralising left hooks because his jab was such a countervailing force. By the end of fights, most fighters were scared to even throw left hooks because they would be getting countered so consistently.

Best example of that is the Chavez fight. Look how utterly ineffectual his left hook ended up being in that fight. He hardly even attempts to throw it in the second half of the fight.

The straight right hand was the punch that bothered Pea. Plenty of fighters found him with the right hand (Mayweather, Pendleton, McGirt, Chavez, Trinidad, even DLH).

 

The fight was called off the minute he hit the canvas from that right hand. No count was neccessary, which is why it was officially counted as a TKO rather than a flat out KO, which it was.

 

Thanks, I don't think I've seen it since the origional broadcast, it's been awhile.

 

Well the straight right hand is the weapon of choice against a southpaw.
McGirt went into the fight with Whitaker injured? He didn't hurt it during the fight?

 

I can see why you bracket it with a proper KO, but it wasn't. When a fighter is knocked down and doesn't beat the full count, thats a flat out KO. A real, geniune, knockout so to speak.

When Hearns knocked out Duran and Cuevas, it's simply the discretion of the referee. Some other referees would have counted with both those knockdowns, as serious and spectacular as they were. It's pure speculation as to whether they would have beaten the count. Perhaps Duran and Cuevas would have risen before 10, maybe, but it's the condition of the fighter and how they responded to the referee on the fight halting or continuing. My guess is that they both would have been saved from further punishment. Even if they had beaten the count and looked fine to resume, the chances of them defending themselves are extremely slim indeed.

What you'll find is that if a fighter has been taking clean punchs for a considerable amount of time prior to a serious punch flooring them, then the referee just waives the fight off. IMO, the right hand that Shavers hit Holmes with was equally as devastating as Hearns' right hands on Duran and Cuevas. But the difference is that Holmes took nothing of any significance prior to being floored by Shavers, thus the referee giving Holmes the count rather than just ended it seconds after hitting the deck.

Duran and Cuevas getting stopped as soon as they hit the floor looks good, no question. But they are grade one TKO's. Second grade TKO's would be cuts or fighters being saved while still on their feet.

I guess I'm just playing things by the rulebook.

 

Buddy had troubles with his left arm throughout most of his welterweight career. He actually hurt the shoulder in the fight prior to Whitaker, against Genaro Leon and didn't throw any lefts after the first couple of rounds. Against Whitaker, McGirt claimed that he hurt his left in the third round, but really, I didn't see him throw any meaningful left hooks in the first two rounds.

 

Was that post really neccessary Rob?

 

Absolutely. Just thought I'd post how I view KO's and TKO's. It was meant to be short and sweet, but decided to expand on things further. And the problem is?

 

Pipino might find Whitaker with some stuff, but I can't picture him finding Pea with enough to stop him.

As for Cuevas being willing to throw 10 punches in order to hit Whitaker with 1: one of the things that really struck me in rewatching some of the footage of Pea's career is that I've never seen any fighter whose opponents look so consistently tired, out of breath, and drained by the end of their fights.

Never underestimate how much stamina all that swinging and missing can take out of a fighter, or how many points Whitaker will be scoring when he counters the 9 out of the 10 that miss.

 

But Cuevas DID beat the count, hurt as he was he wanted to continue & his corner threw in the towel. Pipino motioned for the corner not to stop it, but it was too late. Though a proper stoppage by Cuevas' cornermen.

 

I say Pernell outboxes him and wins a decision in a tough fight in the late rounds, but Pernell wins it.. Cueves is great ,but Pernell is one of the greatest boxers ever.