What would you think of Wlad if he fights Arreola instead of Haye?

More so then Haye, yes. I felt that Wills, Witherspoon, and Walker were all good wins for Arreola.

 

i don't feel those wins are in any way deserving of a title shot, you might say what has haye done but i think barret is equal to any of those guys and the fact he was cruiserweight champ adds alot more weight.

 

I disagree. The Heavyweight division is completely different than the rest. We aren't talking about a Jr. Welterweight moving up to Welterweight. Even Evander Holyfield proved his worth at Heavyweight before getting a title shot.

Barrett had just been knocked out by Cliff Couser in 2 round the year before. A win over Monte Barrett at this stage shouldn't be anything more than Haye making a splash into the division, before moving on to a top 10 opponent. A washed up Barrett is lucky to be in the tail end of the top 30. Beating an old Mormeck, and a hyped up Enzo at Cruiserweight doesn't leap frog Haye over the top contenders at Heavyweight. If Wlad decided to give Haye a shot... fine, there is no problem with that. However, to act like if Haye doesn't get a shot immediately than he is being ducked.... that's just absurd.

 

The cliff couser thing is silly he obviosuly wasn't ready for that fight a he took care of couser easy enough ina rematch.
Also i am not saying wlad is ducking haye so stop talking ****, find one post were i have said anything of the sort.
Evander holyfield had to prove himself as the divison had a much better level of fighter than the current heavyweight division is blessed with.
If guys like areola are getting title shots it shows the weakness of the heavyweight division as a whole. There are only about 5 good fighters in the entire heavyweight ranks and two of those are wlad and vitali.
My point is haye is just as deserving as anybody else as a title shot as the rest of the heavyweights are that poor , surely you can see that,

 

Obviously I disagree with you on just about everything.:good I DO NOT believe that the division is lacking talent. I do NOT believe that Haye is just as deserving as any other Heavyweight of a title shot. I also do NOT believe that Arreola is so terrible like you guys are acting. Then again... I might have a better understanding on just how amazing you have to be at any sport to be anywhere near the top in the entire world. The talent in the world is DEEP in EVERYTHING. Some boxing fans have a really bad understanding of simple things like that. Most fans, seemingly like yourself... don't understand the difference between being a star and having talent.

 

That is why the heavyweight divsion is pretty much the weakest talent wise to all boxing divisions. You compare a weight class to it's piers as such not to an average person so perhpas you don't have the right understanding there.
I might also have just as good if not better an understanding as you do about talent as i have trained and competed in a few different sports, and a number of people i have trained with would be in you're class of world class athletes.

 

Again... I disagree on just about everything.

You obviously don't know me. I have trained with, and I am good friends with many Olympic Wrestlers, World Champions, and MMA Champions. I know all too well just how great you must be in order to be at the top. The problem with boxing fans is that they think being a star in the media or public translates to having more talent. Boxing simply doesn't have the great exposure that it used to. Also, most of the top boxers in the heavyweight division are not from the United States anymore. They don't have the powerful US marketing machine behind them. So... people aren't exposed to just how good these guys are. Boxing needs to be back on network television.... and it's as simple as that. Povetkin would beat the living **** out of Haye. That's reality.

 

I do know you thats the point you don't know me so don't make claims about things you do not know about. I have trained with at least two people than fight in the ufc at the moment one who fights in elite xc. I have played football with a number of people that play in the pro leagues and have infact p;layed football with someone thats plays for england. I have done cross country with someone who was in the olympic 1500 metres final and played basketball with people in the national sides of more than one country. I have trained with one of the top kickboxers in the world and i can list alot more so perhaps you don't know me :hi:
Also haye would **** povetkin badly.:yep

 

I wont think any different of Wlad but i also wont think any different of Haye because i already thought he was an idiot and by letting something like this slip away is proving me correct

 

:rofl Ah ****... forget it. If you have trained with all of these people then I would hope that you have a better grasp on reality than you seem to have. You have "done cross country with someone"?

Who have you trained with in the UFC? I might just know them as well. Elite XC is finished.... it came crashing down and was bought out by Strikeforce.

I am not doubting that you have trained with some top notch athletes. I don't know you. However... usually when people have done so, they tend to have a different outlook on the talent in the world than people who haven't.:good

 

Yeah, of course Povetkin would destory Haye WiDDoW.

Care to explain the following?

"Alex Povetkin ducked me in the amateurs, pulled out of a multi-nations final in Pula (Croatia) after I'd iced my two opponents in the first round" - DAVID HAYE

 

Why would I try to explain anything that David Haye says? He also said that Wladimir Klitschko was ducking him before he even moved up to Heavyweight.

 

they are all english that might give you a clue, bisping, hardy and paul daley.
The cross country one was andrew badley who was 9th in the 1500 m at the bejing games i used to run cross country with him at school not in gym class either as a sport. I was more using it for variety
In reagrds to your last comment i don't don't think you are grasping my point when i talk about such atheletes i am comparing them with the talent in the other weight classes or talent from past decades not againt average people.