Frank Warren: 'Calzaghe split was the biggest disappointment. Total disloyalty..

Lets see how history treats Hatton when he loses to Pac. of course he will be lauded on these shores forever more, but the thought of him being KO'd in his two career defining fights will mean hes only a legend where it doesnt really matter, in his home country, like the Brunos, Minters etc. He will be seen as that level, & thats not such a bd thing.

Just keeping it real!

 

Joe thought he could make more money on his own,i cant see Warrens problem really if he had walked after the Lacy fight maybe but Joe stuck with Warren right up to his last fight why shouldn`t he make a little more at the end of such a long career.

 

atschatschatschatschatsch Dunky my man, if Hatton does lose to Pac (and he is certainly a live underdog), that will be two pound for pound #1 fighters and all time greats. In the process beating two more pound for pounders and a number of other good champions/contenders. If it doesn't matter how he is seen in his home country then where precisely does it matter? And as for Brunos and Minters, I don't recall those guys ever being on top of their division for four years and in the pound for pound rankings for a good proportion of it.

But then again, he's a nasty little Englander so to hell with objectivity ;-)

 

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But then again, he's a nasty little Englander so to hell with objectivity ;-)[/quote]

Read my comments about Haye, Khan & Skelton. I dont base my opinion of a fighter solely on his nationality. The proof is in the archive.

I feel that I should post a wink here, just to get it right up you.

But hey, Im not the petty sort unlike your good self.

 

When it comes to Hatton, I dont do 'reeling in' anymore. that would be too easy.
im just a hater, who tells it the way I see it in my head.

OK, so he won lots of lovely ABC titles. I cant take that away from him. Best wins though? Against old shot fighters. Tszyu? Old. Shot. Weight drained.
Castillo? Old. Shot. weight drained.

Sure 'Bwitish bweakfast Wicky' has his belts, but history will judge him. & when it does, those belts will count for nothing when he has two knockout losses to Floyd & Pac.
& remember, Hatton got KO'd aginst a Floyd who wasnt exactly renowned as a big puncher when he fought Hatton...

But I will cut you some slack. Cos Im a Hatton hater. I LOVE concentrating on the negatives. & I dont hide the fact. Its up to his fans here to convince the world that the positives outweight the negatives. & we haters? we got a huge supply of negatives in our armoury, ESPECIALLY when Pac does him in three!!!

Im smug, cos its not often I can have the last laugh on Hatton fans twice, but thanks to Pac, Im going to have two last laughs

Its like Im being spoiled for all the years I have hd to listen to his fans proclaim his as an ATG:smoke

Isnt that just lovely?:good

 

OK Dunky, so for the sake of your argument lets conveinienty forget about Zoo and JLC. Even the worst case of Tackie, Phillips, Urango, Mallinaggi, Collazo and Maussa is a better list of wins than most British "world" champions.

I don't think most Hatton fans think he's an ATG, just a very good fighter who has been the best fighter in his division for the last 4 years. You know if he were Scottish that you'd kick Scotty out of bed to get to our Ricky..........;O)

 

Agreed. I don't see where all this **** about Hatton fans thinking he's an all time great has come from. Hatton is what he is, the Ring and linear champion (which counts for more than any ABC belts), which he has been for almost 4 years as well as holding 3 or 4 alphabet trinkets. He has a list of wins which includes Tszyu (#1 at JWW, #3 p4p at the time), Castillo (#2 at JWW, #8 p4p at the time), Malignaggi (#2 JWW), Collazo (top ten welter), Urango (current #5, won a title after Hatton loss), Lazcano (top 10 fighter), Maussa (#5 at the time), plus Tackie who was top ten.

Nobody is calling him an all time great, simply a very good fighter whose been at the top and the "true" champ of his division for a good period of times whilst racking up a better resume than the vast majority of champs. Also, he has lost only to the very best and has featured in some big fights in the States. I'm sure he'll be pretty satisfied when all's said and done!

 

I wouldn't even waste my digital ink. You're freely admitting to being a hater. The thing with haters is that the decide they are going to hate and then their view of the "facts" is coloured by that from thereonin, rather than looking at the facts in an unbiased manner and making a rational judgement. Even to the extent of making up incidents involving throwing things at a knocked out fighter which have been proven to be out and out lies.

If being in the top 3 p4p, #1 in your division which you have ruled for four years and coming off an arguably career best win is being "old, shot and weight drained" I guess most would take it. If Hatton does lose to Pac, he has done so taking on the biggest challenge the game has to offer, as is the case with Mayweather. Does not magically erase all that he has achieved in the sport, much as certain "haters" would like to believe it.

Anyway, fighters fitting the "old, shot, weight drained" description can still be rather dangerous, as I'm sure Michael Gomez could tell you. If we're going to hate a fighter based on a few comments some of his more over-enthusiastic fans have made then I too would be spoiled. After all, I;ve watched both him and Nicky Cook, both of whom are decent domestic level fighters, comprehensively wipe away the illusion that Average Alex was anywhere approaching a world class fighter. But, then again, I'm not that petty... :good

 

Everyones a hgater of someone imo. Dunky is the first I've seen admitting it though

 

Not me mate, I don't hate anyone. Its pointless. I can see DeGale annoying me in the future though if he carries on the way he is....

 

The RJJ Calzaghe fight was a flop at the gate. The numbers were crap. If Joe had any sense he would have kept that leech in tow who despite being a **** CAN promote a fight. We only have to look at his record with Ricky at the M.E.N. At the end of the day its all academic now as Joe is an even bigger **** who only wanted what he thought would be a lions share. Shame the dufus doesn't know anything about basic economics.

 

Ricky was the WBO mandatory twice. He turned down Corley when he was the number 1, and Pinto allegedly pulled out last minute only to then go on to fight Cotto for the vacant title. The truth lays somewhere between Ricky and Warren.

 

I live in London.. :yep And no im not bitter im a realist who refuses point blank to reward mediocrity. I call it exactly;y as i see it. Think of me as ESB`s very own Steven Holdsworth. :good