2003 RJJ vs. David Haye

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  1. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was watching Jones - Ruiz last night for no good reason, and this mythical fight popped into my head.

    Roy carried at least 85% of his speed up with him from 175 for this fight, and he had enough power to get Ruiz's respect and then some. He was throwing an absolutely beautiful jab, fast, hard, snapping. And before everyone says "Haye by KO", remember that this Roy was still a near prime fighter. He took flush right hands and body shots off of Ruiz without even flinching.

    Haye would be taller, probably 15-20 pounds heavier, and have comparable speed.

    Neither was/ is a defensive genius, and both would be capable of hurting each other at any moment.

    Who wins?
     
  2. KCD

    KCD All aboard. Full Member

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    Jones Jr.

    Better than Haye in every department except for punch power, but Jones was waaaay more accurate so therefore i would say he would be the puncher in the fight.
     
  3. joito3

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    Jones too fluid at that point for the Hayemaker who to me seems to force his shots almost pushes them out....Jones would have had a field day
     
  4. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jones wide UD or late KO.

    The RJ that fought Ruiz was still in peak condition. It was only AFTER he lost 25 lbs of pure muscle to fight Tarver 1 when he ruined his body but this version of RJ was still Superman. He would've been much too fast and skilled for Haye. Haye's only chance would've been to land a big right. RJ would've seen them coming and countered all night. Plus, it's a misconception that RJ always had a glass jaw. It was good enough. Tarver just messed up his chin.
     
  5. itrymariti

    itrymariti CaƱas! Full Member

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  6. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Two points here:

    You need to look at the round by round punch stats for the Ruiz/Jones fight. There were several rounds in which each fighter landed in the single digits or very close to it. The fight was a glorified sparring session.

    I am no Haye fan but the thought of him landing on Roy's Glass Jaw is scary. If Glen Johnson could put him out for 6 minutes lord knows what Haye could do.
     
  7. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Please stop commenting about Roy Jones. It's obvious that you only watched him fight from the Tarver fight on. :dead
     
  8. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Roy effectively ended that fight in the fourth when he caught Ruiz at the end of the round with a counter right. The Plodding Man was a lot less willing to come barreling in after that.

    Trust me, I'm not trying to glorify this fight for Roy. It was what it was. I will say though that Ruiz was a much more relevant heavyweight than an ancient Monte Barrett. Two Guns ought to send half of his Haye purse to Tye Fields, that farm boy made him look like a killer.
     
  9. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Uh I just watched the Ruiz fight the other day and the punch stats were pitiful the fight was a circus.

    The fact that Roy handpicked Ruiz over someone like Byrd tells us all that we need to know. Roy handpicked Ruiz because the guy has literally no skill at all. He makes Sam Peter look like Gene Tunney.

    Roy won fair and square and the fight showed that when forced to fight within the rules by the referee what a skill less joke Ruiz really is.

    :good
     
  10. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fair enough, but I never bought the hype that Byrd would have been much of a challenge. He was already in decline by 2003, scraping out wins over Evander and Oquendo.

    But of course Ruiz was an easier fight.
     
  11. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Maybe. We will never know. But the difference in skill between Ruiz and Byrd is night and day.

    Roy won the fight fair and square.

    The funny thing is had Roy stayed at Heavyweight and grabbed the IBF from Byrd which was a very possible scenario then fought say Brewster in 2004 for the WBO which is another fight if he ran and protected that Glass Jaw was certainly a winnable fight for Roy he would have been the WBA/IBF/WBO Heavyweight Champion.

    Instead he went on to get brutally KOed by 2 average fighters and has looked like a complete fool ever since.

    To me it would have been better for his legacy to get KOed at Heavyweight by someone rather than Tarver or Glen Johnson. There would have been no shame in getting KOed at Heavyweight but what happened to him after the Ruiz fight is about as embarrassing as it can get for a fighter.
     
  12. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Jones that beat Ruiz would beat David Haye.
     
  13. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed completely. But Roy was part of the risk/ reward generation HBO helped create. He'd also built it up in his head how "dangerous" it was for him to fight heavyweights. Not to minimize the dangers of boxing naturally bigger fighters, but in the end, he gave up all his physical advantages by doing the "safe" thing and dropping the weight.

    How funny would a Toney - RJJ rematch for the unified heavyweight title have been?
     
  14. Williams27

    Williams27 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Very interesting fight.... I gotta go with Jones UD 12. Haye does have a chance of catching Roy and hurting him but I think Roy would still have enough speed to get by Haye and win on points. If Haye was to catch Roy and KO him in the later rounds I wouldnt be to surprised but I think Roy would be ahead on points no matter who wins.

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  15. diamondDave

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    I can't wait for Haye to fight some serious heavyweights that are not past their primes. The RJJ that beat Ruiz was too fast, way way way too skilled, and hit harder than Monte Barrett...a man who wobbled Haye.

    RJJ would chump and clown Haye and either stop him late or win a wide UD.