Roy Jones - Discussion And What If's

I feel bad for saying maybe now, seen how bad you guys have come down on PowerPuncher and all! Anyway, you know i was in the right place.

 

Ray Robinson at his peak was 128-1-2 with his only loss avenged 5 times and he also beat 10 hall of famers Jake Lamotta, Sammy Angott, Fritzie Zivic, Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Rocky Graziano, Randy Turpin, Gene Fullmer and Carmen Basili. Saying that he ducked Moore and Charles at HW is a bit like saying that Jones ducked Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko at heavyweight...

It's true that many fighters were scared of Jones but wins over Calzaghe, Michalczewski, Hopkins II, Holyfield before Toney, Chris Byrd would have helped his legacy a lot...

 

Learn the history of Robinsons time, he didn't duck heavyweights, he 'ducked'/avoided welterweights, middleweights and light heavyweights in the divisions he fought.

None of the fighters he fought were in the league of Burley. He also didn't face the murderers row, most as good or better than anyone he faced

 

No.

 

Ok, Jones weighed 190 for the Ruiz fights : from 160 to 190 there is 30 pounds. from 147 to 175 there is 28 pounds. So Robinson ducking Charles, Moore and others LHW's is almost equivalent to Jones ducking Lewis and Klitschko. And Robinson beat more good fighters than Jones did, so just by there he is far better pound for pound than Jones. Jones top 3 wins are Hopkins, Toney and Ruiz. Ruiz is there because he was WBA champion, but Toney also beat him, and Ruiz is not an elite heavyweight even if he's better than people give him credit for..

 

Great fighters BUT

Lamotta was the leftover of Williams/Marshall, 2 fighters SRR didnt face, and neither as good as Burley or particularly better than any other murderers row fighter Robinson avoided

Galivan lost 9 times within the 3year period he faced Robinson

Turpin was only proven on the European circuit

Fullmer - quality but a little but of a limited skillset

 

PowerPuncher what is your point? Are you trying to prove that Jones was greater than Robinson?

 

Im sorry, but if you are serious im not going to try and justify my reasoning for why you are wrong.

 

That was to you sorry PP, i never quoted.

 

The point is Robinson ducked Welterweights, 147lbers, not 175lbers, not HWs BUT 147lbers and 160lbers, Robinson could easily be called a cherry picker by those who level the same insult at Jones and Mayweather

Expecting him to face Charles is a stretch, but after he lost to Maxim and Moore beat Maxim there was talk of a Moore fight and they did actually have discussions

And the main point is Robinsons resume isn't the best P4P, many have better resumes and wins than Robinson, Robinson maybe the best P4P but it certainly isnt on resume. So if Robinson can be P4P no1, Jones can easily be P4P top10

 

SRR is my P4P no1 BUT hes not beyond reproach and his competition isn't as great as its made out.

 

No1s saying he is beyond reproach, i just think that the reasons you used in taking from what are some of his best wins are very bad.

 

PowerPuncher making an ass of himself has become almost cliche'd.